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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 10:32pm
Here here Tfg,  I think its great interacting with differant folk on holiday (in Corfu) as much as I enjoy meeting & getting on with the the local people who work in the tourist trade, I mean this is why the forum exists? As for the original post I strongly recomend getting a private villa, I did once enjoyed the experience but I soon came back to Sidari ..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 10:40pm
Think there is a difference between tourist and traveller- neither dirty words but my personal definitions of both are (and the fact that I have put 'he' is just for ease, could as easily have been 'she').
 
 
Tourist- someone who has probably worked very hard for their holiday and wants to be able to relax, have comforts to hand, like warm sea and pool, cold drinks, food that he knows about (nothing too adventurous), not always very interested in the place he is staying in as long as it ticks all the boxes of what he wants, sometimes (and I have see this for myself) does not even know what country he is in!  Likes his comfort zone and for this reason alone may come back again and again if he finds a place he likes.
 
Traveller- someone who likes exploring, getting a bit below the surface to find out what is really going on, who travels round with his eyes open, and can put up with a bit of hardship as long as he has a great experience- sees a wonderful view for example. Someone who likes meeting people from other cultures than his own. Probably does some research before booking his holiday to ensure that it will suit him, and afterwards to learn more about the place he will be visiting. Possibly this person is less likely to be a repeat visitor every year as his curiosity may lead him to want to experience somewhere else new.
 
Of course these are the two extremes, and most people contain elements of both, such as those who come back to a favourite place annually, using it as a base to explore fresh pastures, as well as a chance to rekindle friendships which have become a rightly valued part of their lives.

The tourist probably prefers a "resort" which he knows will satisfy all his requirements, whereas the traveller doesn't mind risking the unknown for the sake of a new experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 12:21am
Its a funny old world. And we're a funny old lot as well.
I've watched reccomendations on this post with amusement. Places we know and like, loads of other places loved by others we hate with a passion. We are all different.
From my perspective, I cringe when someone states that a place is ruined, spoilt, I have to smile to myself, because almost without exception any place that person likes is probably new built to some extent, so is guilty of spoiling somewhere from another point of view.
I remember San Stephanos when there were just 2 tavernas, 1 bar, 1 shop (a hole in the wall sort of place) and not much more than about 12 villas and some rooms. (Nissaki not much different.) Our first visit there we stayed in one room above someones house, outside loo and shower open to the elements, nothing between us and the old folk downstairs except 1" floor boards, talk about living in the heart of the village. Look at it now, from the sea you can hardly see the island for villas and apartments.
We still love the place, sure its changed out of all reccognition, there are new ventures most years, some of course have closed and gone, but how can you blame people for having a go if they have a chance, business is what makes the world go round, I'm told.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 9:46am
Bob Wendy I first visited Corfu late seventys with my mates camping, Sidari then was a 1 hotel town, for me give me the Corfu of today any time.Thumbs Up As for a traveler (Iive done it) yes Janmanessi you do want to see behind the seens but only briefly before moving on, seriously I wouldnt recomend the orignal post to Sidari for the real feel to Corfu life, just me supporting my favourite place Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 10:21am
If we all liked the same place the world would be very boring and that place very busyWink
We love Acharavi but always hire a car to explore different areas around the coast and up in the hills. Works really well for us and allows us to have the best of both worlds so to speak.
Wherever anyone chooses to go, enjoy it, as most work very hard for it.
Life is faaaar too short so enjoy it whilst you can with your loved ones.
Happy holidays all
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 11:33am
Why not stay in Corfu town itself? Easy walking lots of traditional bars and tavernas and then go and visit other places and see for yourself where might be best for a holiday later. Some of the suggestions made on here are just ridiculous but it is all down to personal taste. There is enough info on the internet to steer you away from Brits abroad places like Sidari, Kavos and Roda. Unfortunately by its very nature Corfu can be a bit hilly but that is what makes the views so good. No matter where you end up you will undoubtedly find a special place for you in Corfu.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 1:30pm
I think its a bit unfair putting Roda alongside Sidari and Kavos!! Yes it has a high proportion of British visitors but they tend to be made up of family groups that return year on year. It was also obvious last year that a much wider mix of visitors were present in the village during our stay.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 3:00pm
The Brits that visit Sidari are slowly being out numbered to the dissapointment of businesses there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 6:59pm
But better in the long run not to put all their eggs into one basket (the UK market)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 8:03pm
Quite right Jan, we've had some brilliant nights meeting people from Slovakia for example.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 8:23pm

For some reason I dont think the businesses on the Sidari strip will share your sentiments, Brits being superceded by Solvakians, Bulgarians etc is a good thing for them & that is nothing to do with a little Englander thing or any thing against them folk, its a economic thing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 8:28pm
Being a person who recommended Roda because to me it mostly fits the criteria that was asked for, I also have to agree with the forum members who have just posted. I was disappointed on my first visit with the number of English style pubs there and the majority of Tavernas selling British staples. Roda worked it's magic and this year will be 8th year there. We mostly avoid the very British pubs and spend our days walking or hiring a car to discover the island, or go to Corfu Town on the local bus. There has been an increase of other nationalities in the last couple of years which has to be a blessing. There is also a couple of businesses opening promising pure Greek food and music, (thank goodness). What everyone has to remember, Corfu tourism was built on the British tourist and without the families returning year in year out Corfu could be in worse straits. Also what about all the Brits who have relocated to Corfu and the women who have married Corfiot men. I love Roda and Corfu.Heart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 9:38pm
Talking to our Greek friends who have businesses there, the Eastern Europeans tend to ACTUALLY self cater, and spend very little money in the resorts. As someone else pointed out, everywhere has changed from when we first went to Corfu. There were very little prospects, other than working in the family business/smallholding, for the young people. Tourism brought much needed money into the island and enabled the youngsters to have a better education than their parents had ever dreamed of. The result is the youngsters now are usually overqualified and want to move away from the island, to pursue their interests/vocations. The tour companies encouraged owners to build/expand, then pulled out!, leaving the owners with mortgages for buildings they had no customers to fill. There are many reasons for the position the island finds itself in now. The challenge is to find a way out of this situation. 

A good start might be to stop slagging off resorts. Horses for courses! What suits me will not suit others and vice versa. BE NICE. If you've nothing good to say,say nothing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 1:02am
The eastern Europeans may not all have money to throw around and so self cater- although some have a LOT of money and enjoy spending it, but the first British tourists in the 60s were not all millionaires, they slept on the beach, etc.  Those 'hippies' are now older people with money to spend, many of them...it is short sighted to dismiss them because of the amount of Euros in their pockets today, welcome them and they will come back when they have more money- and good memories!
Also why would they eat out in many places- they don't want English breakfasts etc. which are aimed at just one portion of the market, they probably don't feel comfortable in an English style bar either, what they do want, thankfully, is to be in Greece- and it is on this that tourism should be capitalising.
 
There are few property owners who were encouraged to build in the early days who have anyone but themselves to blame...tour companies in general advanced the money to build, admittedly to their specifications, in return for which they had the property for their exclusive use for a number of years paying a very small amount of rent.  The tour company was paid off within 10 years which was the limit of many contracts, after which time the property was unencumbered and the owner could rent to whoever he chose to. Sadly many people did not reinvest any of their income in their properties as they thought the good days would never end! If they had husbanded the money that came very easily years ago many would not be in the state they are in now.

Of course the younger generation have many more opportunities than their parents. I just hope that those who want to can use their qualifications so hard earned, abroad if they so choose, leaving those who WANT to work in tourism to do so, rather than going into the family bar, taverna or whatever without any real appetite to do so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 1:03am
Well said Flynnmo, there are increasing numbers of Eastern Europeans travelling to Greece. I have spoken to people in Lesvos, Thassos, Crete and Kalymnos who all welcome new visitors but are dismayed at how little they spend in the resorts, tavernas and bars. It may well be that while they have the income to get to the destinations they find the cost of living so high they simply cannot afford to use the local businesses.
They are probably sold Greece as a cheap destination, and we all know that belongs in a time gone by. That said many of us will continue to travel to Greece whatever the cost, the pound sinking like a stone is not helping though.
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 2:47am
I'd say the Eastern Europeans who have a LOT of money to spend, tend not to go anywhere near the resorts, but rather to villas in the hills, and to pretty exclusive/expensive venues. The others, who do go to the resorts, can't afford to eat/ drink out. This is not a criticism of these people, it is a fact. Good luck to them and I hope they enjoy their holiday, but they don't put much into the local economy. The so called "hippies" of the 60's who slept on the beach etc. were generally middle/upper class young people, having an "adventure" before settling down. Not all, but most. Nobody I knew, for example, could afford to go" travelling". They could barely afford their bus fares to work! When package tours came along, Spain and Italy were the places to go - Greece was still considered exotic and was more expensive. We have been going to Greece for 25 years, at least twice a year, and love it. We now have a holiday home in Corfu and hope to spend more time there once my husband retires. I don't think we have ever set foot in an "English" bar and probably never will. If those who do are putting money into the local economy, good luck to them too. To each their own. Last year the tour companies were offering owners 3 - 4 euros per night. It wouldn't even cover the electricity! How can that possibly be justified? Some refused and are now going private via the internet. Hopefully they will be successful and pave the way for a new wave of visitors to Corfu.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 9:06am
Dont think any one has slagged off any resorts Flynnmo just promote there favourite resort, I would love to try a differant resort every year but would miss the friends weve made over the years in Sidari. lLst year we were sitting have a cold beverage where a Romainian car packed with a family and a fridge on top drove passed us, I kid you not,LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 3:51pm
I must admit, I think that is funny... how some people live hey!
Going back to the subject of tour operators offering 3 - 4 euros per night for the rooms is a real cheek, however, we have stayed in several S/C places and have asked how much to hire directly from the apartment owners and they say some rediculas price like 350erous per week (I think WHAT? You must be having a geraffe!),  I'll stick with the tour operators thank you in that case... for the same apartment £60 ish per person, well thats a no brainer! But if for example the apartment owners said... 200euros a week, still over the price than online but hey ho, I would reaaly like to cut out the middle man, believe me. But until then it's the internet booking for me. It's a shame though, I think they are cutting off there nose to spite there face as to speak.
 
'Paleo', still my favourite though must say, been to many other places for days away from resort, (always do), there are many nice areas to choose from on the Island. Personal preferance comes into play.
 
I just love that Corfu feeling!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 4:00pm
A lot of the problems arrived when the EU handed out money to Greece and a lot of the appartment owners didnt use it to improve the appartments and now very few tour opperators go there because  lot dont meat there requirements and hence no broucher coverage, but if you know where to look there is plenty of reasonable accomidation avalible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 4:34pm
With reference to the youth of Greece being over qualified and haveing to leave for work elswhere. Before mass tourism, it was always so, many of my middle aged friends in Corfu went to sea, their wives stayed at home with their mother-in-law, tending the olives etc;
Our immediate neighbours for example, left Corfu as soon as they were married, went to Belgium to work in the coal mines, later on moved back to Athens to work in an industrial plant, before retiring back to Corfu.
A common scenario in the past.
I agree about the well qualified youth of Corfu for instance, their most probable opportunity will be to move away. But in all probabillity they would'nt want to work in the family business anyway.
As for the Eastern European tourists, surely, better them than nobody, regardless of what they may or may not have to spend.  Sure they come by coach, stay in full board lodgings, enjoy their holiday on the beach, with a few bevvys after dinner. Good luck to them.
Anyway, this is all going slightly off topic, innit?
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