Message posted by Guest on 07 December 2005 at 12:56pm - IP Logged
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Does anybody know if Santa Clause or St Nicholas was Greek!! I read today that his name was St Nicholaos he was of Greek origin and he was the first youngest priest, he was supposed to help destitute women and children by throwing bags of gold coins down the chimneys! Does anyone know it this is true? I was always told he came from Holland.
Has anyone got any good santa stories
Seabubbles
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There are two legends of Santa Claus/St Nicholas. One, that he never really existed as a human, but was a Pagan god of some sort. However, this version is normally ousted as being rubbish.
The other version is that he was known as St Nicholas of Bari in Italy, but was born in the provence of Myra (now Turkey), hence why it is beleive that he became the Bishop of Myra.
He is the Patron Saint of Greece, as he is of many European countries. He is also the Patron Saint of Sailors, having this name adopted the churches of Posiedon, taking his last name Nikra.
Many countries, including ourselves have made Santa Claus in to what we want him to be, including the dates we use around the world to celebrate Christmas.
Yammas, Chris.
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The legend of Santa Claus can be traced back hundreds of years to a monk named St. Nicholas. It is believed that Nicholas was born sometime around 280 A.D. in Patara, near Myra in modern-day Turkey. Much admired for his piety and kindness, St. Nicholas became the subject of many legends. It is said that he gave away all of his inherited wealth and traveled the countryside helping the poor and sick. color=#0000ffone of the best known of the St. Nicholas stories is that he saved three poor sisters from being sold into slavery or prostitution by their father by providing them with a dowry so that they could be married. Over the course of many years, Nicholas's popularity spread and he became known as the protector of children and sailors. His feast day is celebrated on the anniversary of his death, December 6. This was traditionally considered a lucky day to make large purchases or to get married. By the Renaissance, St. Nicholas was the most popular saint in Europe. Even after the Protestant Reformation, when the veneration of saints began to be discouraged, St. Nicholas maintained a positive reputation, especially in Holland.
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..Ok. you are right...lol.. but, the Russians built the oldest Church, in his honour... So I knew they came into it somewhere..lol
Lizzi
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Hey yes I found out some more too, yes Sailor& Spike he was
said to be from Myra which was then a Greco -Roman town of Asia Minor Was he Greek or Roman?
Yep lizzy he is the patron saint of Russia so was he Russian?
He was also Sinterklauss in Holland!
LOL yep he was also associated with reindeers, so Chris maybe you were right maybe he comes from Norway!!!!
WHO IS THIS MYSTERY MAN!!!! no wise cracks please from Chris or Bruce LOL!!!
Has anybody any funny stories about kids or themselves and christmas celebrations!!!!
Seabubbles
Message posted by Spike on 07 December 2005 at 4:02pm - IP Logged
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Didn't he throw coins into a house and they landed in the stockings of the children? Hence why we leave stockings at the end of our beds on Christmas Eve.
The only stories I have about Christmas are when I was about 10 my parents brought me 'Crossfire' and my sister and I were playing this at 3 in the morning
Also - I put my hand through the bathroom window one year - made a beautiful mess - didn't realise how deep the cut was until my sister, who's a Nurse pointed out that she could see bone!
Message posted by kara.b on 07 December 2005 at 4:24pm - IP Logged
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The worst Christmas I ever had was when I was about 11 and we came home one night and discovered we had been burgled. They had not only taken the usual computer ect but had opened every single present and left all the wrapping paper all over the house and then chub locked the door on the way out with some spare keys and we could not even get in.
They caught the little so and so in the end turned out to be a local boy, a "friend" of my brother.
Saw him in a night club a couple of years ago and once in the street since.
Probably the reason I always leave xmas shopping to the last min.
Not a funny story I know, but I'll never forget that one.
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Hi Seabubbles,.. I thought he came from Russia.... lol
I called my son Nicholas, as he was born this time of year, and Saint Nicholas being the patron Saint of children , Thought it was appropriate..lol
Lizzi
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Message posted by BruceAndMaria (Born again CTG member) on 07 December 2005 at 5:49pm - IP Logged
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No you are all wrong sorry... Father Christmas is English..And how do you know..... I hear you ask..well my grandson sat on his lap yesterday and I heard him ask my grandson in Very Good English may I add... what my grandson would like for Christmas.......By the way don't anybody Dare say he not real ....
Bruce ( He who keeps one open in bed on Christmas eve just in case)
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God Jul tor! thats a lovely story. Sorry about what happened to you Kara talk about the season of goodwill!! LOL Bruce must admit the one my kids used to visit was English and they thought he lived in Lewis's all year round lol.
Seabubbles
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Hes working at Morrison's saw his sledge in the car park this morning..chris
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I knew it I knew he was for real Because when I stopped off outside his house all lite up.. there was this Father Christmas who was with Mrs Christmas collecting for the Kids ward at our local hospital in Town..When I said to him can i sit on your knee he said no but Mrs Christmas will let you..which i did..Mrs Christmas ask me what would i like for Christmas..well Bruce being Bruce looked Mrs Christmas (who was about 35)strait in the eye and just smiled at her and said ...you....She without batting a eye lid said OK come round Christmas eve he will be out all night but expect a queue because you are the fifth man to ask that.. and i thought i was being smart
Bruce
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Lolololol Bruce!
Kara,that is awful. How sad! I hope the lad was taken off of Santa's good girls and boys list.
Message posted by BruceAndMaria (Born again CTG member) on 08 December 2005 at 10:14am - IP Logged
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Message posted by Bob and Wendy (Uncle Bob) on 09 December 2005 at 2:39am - IP Logged
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Being an old grandad who knows everything. (Trust me)
This is the definitive answer to all your querys with regards to Father Christmas (Santa Claus)
A couple of years ago, our whole family, Me and Wendy, our daughter, her hubby, his parents and of course our two lovely grandaughters. visited Lapland, just prior to Christmas. Not prepared to do the 24 or 48 hour thing, we opted for 7 days. 150klm north of the artic circle, Finish Lapland.
Wow! what an experiance.
We did the whole bit, reighndeer sleigh ride (races??? Na not us guv.). Dog sleigh rides, snow mobile tundra safari, (we loved it so much, we booked independantly for a whole 6 hour exploration with an alternative company, what a buzz, crossing a frozen lake at 70kmh, with "W" howling at the back to slow down.(Fat Chance!!!we used to ride motor bikes and side cars with W leaping over the side to the left on right hand bends with only a car fan belt looped through the suspention to hang on to)) Coach trip back to the artic circle to meet "HIMSELF" actually on the artic circle, in Santa Land. ( yes I know its corney, and I would'nt give you thank you for a theme park,) but this was something different.
OK you arrive by coach, park in the coach park, ( remember, it is pitch dark by 2pm, in fact it only gets what we would call dusk at about 11-30 am at that time of year) as we walked, following the tour company rep, into the centre of Santa Land. We were surrounded by "ELVES", yes folks genuine Santa's Elves, hundreds of them. Little people in red cloaks and bonnetts, playing in the trees, running round us and the coaches, hiding behind timber buildings, playing in the snow and ice, and leading us to Santas' headquarters.
Santa's chief elf asked us all some questions about ourselves prior to meeting the great man, and blow me down, when we met him he knew so much about us as a familly, it was quite uncanny. (Emoticon wink) He even remembered that he did'nt send me the gift that I had asked him fo in 1942, but according to himm, he had a problem that year with the air being full of war planes. (Well if you cant beleive Santa , who can you beleive??)
I have never met such a huge man before, I can't immagine what size shoes he takes, (and judging by his hands (which are not covered by any form of fabric) I would suspect that his size is more or less genuine) after all there is only so much that you can exagerate when he is surrounded by a familly group for the best part of 10 minutes.
For my point of view, the most magical moment came when we left Santas Headquarters, to be confronted by an enourmouse hill of ice, completely covered with elves in red, there were ice steps up, slides, sluces and down runs, full of little elves. When one of the boy elves noticed our girls, he came over and invited them to join the rest of the elves in their fun, only Sophie was brave enough to venture onto this mountain of ice and swoop down to the ground again, but with that Emma (the youngest) was'nt going to be outdone. So she too joined in the fun. Santa's post office and gift shops palled into insignificance from then on.
Some months later, at home, Sophie was remembering our holiday in Santa Land, when she asked Wendy "Nana, do you remember when we were in Santa Land, did you notice if the elves had pointed ears? " To which Wendy replied, as all good Nanas would. " No Sophie, I did'nt notice, they had their hats pulled over their ears to keep them warm". After all it was 19 degrees below freezing at the time. (And we all know that genuine elves have very pointed ears, dont we?)
You want to know if Santa really exists?
Just come and ask me. I'll just prove it to you. I'm a grandad, I know these things.
Having re-read all this I have difficulty in focusing on what I have written, I think I have something in my eyes and I have to wipe them. This is something that grandads do a lot of sometimes.
Bob.
Message posted by Dave and Kerry on 09 December 2005 at 8:41am - IP Logged
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No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.
There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.
Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household, a total trip of 71.604 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding etc.
This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.
The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.
353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecraft's re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy per second each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's been vaporized by now;
Bruce
Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 09 December 2005 at 11:39am - IP Logged
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....And that's the magic of Santa Bruce...You better believe it Bruce for that's what you tell your younger grand children at Christmas That he is for real.Ho.Ho.Ho.Ho....Chris
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LOL Don't worry Bruce, Chris is right, Santa's MAGICAL so those rules don't apply to him Bob your visit to Lapland sounded wonderful Can't wait for grandkids!! My kids don't want to know and my hubby says I would show him up LOL.
Just to throw another spanner in the works who's St Basil a friend of mine said he was the greek santa?
Seabubbles
Message posted by BruceAndMaria (Born again CTG member) on 09 December 2005 at 2:12pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by seabubbles on 09 December 2005
LOL Don't worry Bruce, Chris is right, Santa's MAGICAL so those rules don't apply to him Bob your visit to Lapland sounded wonderful Can't wait for grandkids!! My kids don't want to know and my hubby says I would show him up LOL.
Just to throw another spanner in the works who's St Basil a friend of mine said he was the greek santa?
Seabubbles
Hi Seabubbles..I think St Basil is the guy that delivers presents to the Greek children on new years day
Ho and lets not forget about Dear old Kris Kringle
Bruce
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Bob,that is absolutely wonderful!
What a magical time you all had. I really enjoyed reading that. And yes,i too had a tear in my eyes.
Message posted by ellinaki on 11 December 2005 at 11:15pm - IP Logged
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Yeah, I heard something similar to your story. St Nich was known for giving money whether it was down a chimney, or at the front door, i dont know... but I do know that he was a blessing to a lot of people.
Kala hristouyena, kai o theos na sai prostatevi yia to kainourio hrono!
Frankie
Quote: Originally posted by seabubbles on 07 December 2005
Does anybody know if Santa Clause or St Nicholas was Greek!! I read today that his name was St Nicholaos he was of Greek origin and he was the first youngest priest, he was supposed to help destitute women and children by throwing bags of gold coins down the chimneys! Does anyone know it this is true? I was always told he came from Holland.
Has anyone got any good santa stories
Seabubbles
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St Nicholas is patron saint of sailors and nothing to do with Xmas at all in this part of the world.
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Thought you may like to see this link, click on area Greece for Greek Xmas!!!!! customs, food, letters from kids, xmas songs scroll down and click on Silent Night by Greek Childrens choir so sweet!!!!!!!
Hi Seabubbles this one from that site has brought a tear to my eye..
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Christina
My dear Santa!!!!!!!! We might not be that young, but we are two very obedient children, aged 16 and 29. We want you to send us a baby, and not just to us, but also to many other overdeveloped children who have wanted this for some time. Among all the presents you prepare for everyone with your wonderful materials, which make us so happy every year and we are anxiously awaiting the next, making efforts not to disappoint you so you can send us more, please do not forget our homes and knit a cuddly-jumper to warm our hearts, give us courage and remind us to become better people, using health-threads and love-dust, along with some happy-stitching. And if you send us a baby, we promise to love and nurture it. Thank you for reading our letter.
Who ever they are I do hope that Father Christmas brings them what they want
Bruce
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Oh I know Bruce I read that one too! whilst I was listening to silent night by the kiddies!!!! mascara all down my cheeks!
Seabubbles
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Tears, Laughter, brilliant recipes. What a fantastic link this is. Many thanks Seabubbles.
For someone stuffed with a heavy cold, listening to the songs, in particular the one you mentioned, reading some of the stories, has brought the spirit back to the fore for me.
Now in my favourites list.
Yammas, Chris.
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Glad you like it Chris! Alexis my youngest daughter is off school today full of cold. I've got the music on loud and she's enjoying it too!
Seabubbles
Message posted by BruceAndMaria (Born again CTG member) on 12 December 2005 at 1:52pm - IP Logged
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We got thousands off school today (and all have got big smiles on their faces love them)
Bruce
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What a great site Seabubbles.
Silent night brought tears to my eyes.
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Hi ya seaabubbles.....Thank for Finding such a wonderful site full of Christmas carols and the like....As it has my favorite carols in it and in Greek two especially Silent night by the children's choir...Have now stored it in my favorites...Cheers ..chris
Message posted by Guest on 20 December 2005 at 9:53pm - IP Logged
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Just have a look at the picture of Father Christmas Tor has put in the upload gallery!!!!
BRILLIANT
Seabubbles
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Quote: Originally posted by Bruce&Maria on 07 December 2005
...By the way don't anybody Dare say he not real ....
Lets Face it, you all say that you have seen Santa in all kinds of places at this time of year, be we all KNOW that these are FAKE Santas dressing up purely for commercial reasons. But I have seen the REAL SANTA. He was on Crete in September this year. (Sorry, I went to another Greek Island this year for a change, but I did go to my house on Corfu earlier in the year)
How do I know he was the REAL one I hear you ask? Well, examine the facts. This man was very tall and very plump, and very jolly. He made toys (Chinese puzzles) that kept everyone at the Hotel amazed for hours. He was very very good with all the children there, AND he had a BIG LONG WHITE BEARD. Now, he said that he was an Hungarian born Locksmith living in Austria, but I know better - it was SANTA on his summer holiday.
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Quote: Originally posted by seabubbles on 20 December 2005
Just have a look at the picture of Father Christmas Tor has put in the upload gallery!!!!
BRILLIANT
Seabubbles
That one is for all the smokers out there.
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Do you know who the artist is Tor? Very, very, well done!
Seabubbles (what a good range of xmas cards he could do)
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Quote: Originally posted by seabubbles on 21 December 2005
Do you know who the artist is Tor? Very, very, well done!
Seabubbles (what a good range of xmas cards he could do)
Kruger!! He is german i think!!
Message posted by Sailor on 21 December 2005 at 5:42pm - IP Logged
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Not Freddie Kruger, nightmare, .
Yammas, Chris
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Quote: Originally posted by Sailor on 21 December 2005
Not Freddie Kruger, nightmare, .
Yammas, Chris
Lol Chris. Looks like Freddie was the model for the picture.
Great avatar Tor!
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Hope Father Christmas bring everybody, everthing they wish for tonight!!!
Merry Xmas
Seabubbles
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..... ..Could it be lizziedripps in Pantomine....lol..chris
Message posted by bobbo on 24 December 2005 at 11:17pm - IP Logged
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I know father christmas was real.My earlieast memory of christmas is over 50 years ago,at my grandparents cotage,in hampshire,I got up in the night,went down stairs,and guess who was comming up the other way?I lost my pyjama trouser,and wet myself.If he tries it tonight,he'd beter watch out,i've had some beer,merry christmas,bobbo
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