Like any other country, you have your own problems but, over the last few years, you have started to emerge as a true equal in Europe. Your highly successful handling of the 2004 Olympics proved that you have the ability to perform on an equal footing with any of the world's richest nations.
Some of you may sometimes think that you are becoming too "americanised" but, from an outsider's viewpoint, you have managed to modernise while still holding onto your own unique sense of national pride and identity.
While doing all this, you have somehow managed to keep your natural good humour and, more importantly, a keen sense of respect for others. On top of that, your weather is wonderful, your landscapes are beautiful and your people are welcoming.
These are the sorts of qualities that make so many of us want to come back for more, year after year.
Message posted by MaryJq on 24 February 2005 at 10:52am - IP Logged
I only really know the nice bits of Corfu so I can't comment on the country as a whole. Unless, of course, the whole of Greece is as gorgeous as Aghios Stefanos etc.!
Message posted by tor the viking on 24 February 2005 at 10:53am - IP Logged
tor the viking
I have been going to some few islands in Greece and I'v notice that you are very alike, easy going and easy to love!
the people of Kassiopi that I know the best have taken us in as family!
I am going to be goodfather for one of my friends baby son in Kassiopi in march.
I hope you will keep on like you are and hopefully not be like the rest of europa!
Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 24 February 2005 at 11:36am - IP Logged
Hi alex...(hero poli)..What more can one say..I think Stuart has some it up all in one go...I just love the friendliness of her people and the music of Greece and for them to say to us when we go home ..(pote tha xanaerthis)......chris
Message posted by Big Alan on 24 February 2005 at 8:13pm - IP Logged
A very beautiful and historic country with very proud and patriotic people. As Tor has said, people I have known in Kassiopi for years treat me and the wife as family. I love the country and everyone of the Greek people I have met, also the ones I have yet to meet.
Message posted by sooz on 24 February 2005 at 8:30pm - IP Logged
In nearly 20 years of holidays in Greece I have only encountered 2 people who have made me feel less than welcome. The vast majority of Greeks are friendly and outgoing.
I feel safe in Greece, which is more than I can say for my own country! I am happy to leave our 15 year old son at our accommodation for the most of the day by himself - at home I worry about leaving him for a couple of hours!
Beautiful weather, beautiful scenery and beautiful people
Message posted by alexander1967 on 25 February 2005 at 12:54pm - IP Logged
life is too short to spend it with stress,fear and hate that is my moto and the majority of greeks share it i hope that will not change that characteristics big alan next time try mayrodafni wine its great i hope i meet some of you in summer cheers
Message posted by Hels Bels on 25 February 2005 at 2:44pm - IP Logged
The people, weather, life style are great, I live here, I chose to live here and I love it.
But at the risk of a Sailor or Sixpak attack, the laid back attitude is only great when you are on Holiday !
"AVRIO" means maybe ! not tommorow, the Brits who live here don't think a smiling face and a shout of Avrio is a good sign. It usually means that nothing will happen.
The original poster will no doubt be gratified that we all love Greece, as we do, but if it wasn't an advertising stunt then I'm sure he would really like to hear what we don't like.
I'll tell him, AVRIO
Approved without Attack
Message posted by Sailor on 26 February 2005 at 1:39am - IP Logged
Why would you get an attack from me MM, I actually agree with all the above, that is the reason why I go to Greece/Corfu, and why I hope in the not too distant future I may be residing on the island myself.
Message posted by Mozzy Man on 26 February 2005 at 2:17am - IP Logged
I agree that the tendency to operate on an "Aurio" basis can sometimes be extremely frustrating.
I remember only too well those trips to town to get a permit for something or other - only to be told in the main office that I had to go round three other offices first to collect a stamp or form before going back to the original one and finding it closed for the day, meaning that I had to come back the following week to complete the process.
For the newcomer, this can be an extremely confusing exercise as no-one seemed to want to explain the reasons for all those different trips - you just had to accept the situation.
After a while though, I realised that this was all part of what made Greeks the way they are, which was why I had moved there in the first place.
I should imagine that it would be possible to get them to conform to the sort of service standards that we "enjoy" in the UK but that would probably involve them having to change their attitudes to a whole range of things. I suppose that, with the advent of worldwide communications setups(TV/Internet etc), the change will come soon enough - do we really want to rush it?
So I can say that, while I genuinely sympathise with your occasional frustration, it might be a case of "let sleeping dogs lie".
Message posted by neil66 on 26 February 2005 at 11:41am - IP Logged
Firstly I have to say that I love Corfu hence the fact we have visited Ag. Stefanos every year since 1979, and have found the Corfiots some of the best in the world. I have friends in Ag. Stef. that I am pleased to call close friends who I know I can rely on if necessary BUT I could never go there to live, the climate etc. great BUT I am a retired building surveyor who spent 40 years designing and supervising building in the UK. I would be had up for murder before very long if I had to deal with the Greek building trade. Its not tomorrow will do, its next year if you are lucky.
Having said that God willing we will be back there in September for another injection of magic.
Message posted by Agni on 26 February 2005 at 12:30pm - IP Logged
I have lived here for nearly 15 years and have not had these problems. Government offices here are nothing but friendly (especially compared to the UK). I recently had to renew my residency permit at the Aliens Police station. My accountant wrote down extactly what papers I needed to take, made the associated copies and even gave me directions for finding the office. Just before I left, she phoned them to warn of my arrival! There were no problems. I returned the next morning and collected the new permit! If you go in with the right attitude and extend courtesy - you will have no problems. For any tax or employment problems for Agni Travel, I ALWAYS send my accountant. (Cleri Rossi) She deals with everything and nowdays it is rare that I need to go to town. I recommend to any newcomers to always let their accountant deal with all the paperwork and government offices. You will need to sign a paper at the main police station giving athourity to your accountant to do this.
As far as any building work is concerned, never a problem. I have had built 2 swimming pools, and am currently constructing a villa. The taverna too needs regular maintenace. Maybe if the trades person ("Mastera") is looked after, he will be fine! Possibly the language barrier is the problem and if maybe difficult to state your requirements when the builder only know basic engligh. Sadly, some locally have reported that they will not work for English people.
Message posted by Sailor on 26 February 2005 at 8:16pm - IP Logged
Now there is something I really like about Corfu, not only how the locals are, and how helpful they can be, but how much information we can receive via this site from various different people from more than likely different ways of life they have on the island themselves.
I thank all of you for your help and continuous help, whether you are natives of Corfu, or from those (sometimes more valuable) who have already made the move to Corfu as permanent residents, or for holidays homes.
Thanks for all your help and information, to peo
Thanks for all your help and information to the people of Corfu, including Nathan, Stuart, Graham, Julia and of course MM, .
Message posted by tor the viking on 26 February 2005 at 8:18pm - IP Logged
tor the viking
Message posted by KC on 26 February 2005 at 10:45pm - IP Logged
we have been coming to greece since 1996 mostly twice a year, also in the winter to Athens once and Corfu twice, we love the country and the people, always feel we are ' coming home' booked to come again to Corfu in May - cant wait!!!!!
Message posted by Portia on 01 March 2005 at 12:36am - IP Logged
I have been coming to Corfu, and to Greece, since 1968. It is still my favorite place on the entire earth. And, mind you, I always make the trek from Los Angeles, which is almost halfway around the world, so I must be really motivated (unlike others who can go for a few days or a week or whatever)! I bemoan only the seeming demise of spontaneous (versus paid) dancing by the local Greeks, and the demise of the informal musical get-togethers by villagers (where everyone sings old, familiar Greek songs and plays musical instruments). Nowadays, most Corfiots seem to want to cater to the mostly British tourists. Thus, not much more Greek music, Greek dancing, Greek singing, etc. It's all fish-and-chips and American or English music nowadays, it seems. Such a shame. Oh! And televisions in bars, set to the channels that show English soccer players! I prefer the old days, before all this, when everything was totally GREEK. Not lacking sun where I live, I don't have to travel halfway around the world to get sun. I go for the history, the culture, the fantastic friendship of the Greek people (unmatched anywhere). Thus, I have no complaints, except I wish the architecture, the pastoral beauty, and the culture could retain the beauty of "the old days." Tourism is kind of destroying much of that, alas. Greeks, being only human, go where the money is, and if they can make more money catering to tourists who encourage old buildings to be razed for huge new "resorts," who want to listen only to American and English music, who want to eat only English food, and hang out in television-equipped bars, well, then, that's what they will do! Luckily, there are still a lot of "hold-outs" in Corfu amongst the Corfiots, and may God grant them the courage to stand firm against this onslaught, this potential destruction of their very culture!
I was shocked when first visiting Corfu 11 years ago that it was chips with everything !!
One of the reasons that I was shocked was my experience island hopping through the Cyclades and dining in Greek areas of Athens. I didn't encounter chips with everything there despite being so touristy.
I do now feel that tavernas are recognising the interest in traditional Greek fayre more and more - the chips with everything seems to be diminishing, however the fish and chip shops are there - sadly.
Message posted by blinky on 01 March 2005 at 2:26am - IP Logged
The reason I love Greece, is , I must agree, due solely to the Greeks. The culture, the amazing history, the landscapes that you can imagine ancients walking upon - can't help but see your tiny place in the world, and understand the significance of Greek culture upon the way so many people live today. As a people, I have found the Greeks to be friendly, welcolming, and most importantly, ready to laugh. It is an amazing place, and I feel lucky that there is still enough 'Greece' to go around.
Message posted by Graham T-A on 01 March 2005 at 7:56am - IP Logged
If it's chips with everything you don't like then you are staying at the wrong places. There are plenty of places that hardly don't sell chips and and there are no televisions. If you still want it to be somewhat like Greece used to be then I would suggest that you stay on the N/E coast where there is only one place that I know of with television and thats the apartments bar in Kalami. This is probably the main reason I have never been in this bar.
There are many villages that you can stay in which are quiet and very Greek.
Corfu is varied and can give everyone what they want. The choice is yours.
Message posted by peggy on 01 March 2005 at 10:08pm - IP Logged
I agree with Portia and Bongo in principle,...Maybe because we have been going for a long time now to the Greek islands,...Mainly to Corfu but other islands as well,....What we miss is as Portia said the improvised gatherings, the offer of grapes and or wine when walking around the village's and the slow service when you eating, so as to give you time to digest each course, (we still ask for this).
Of course time does not stand still,...we have moved so why should expect the Greeks to stand still just for our 2 weeks of self indulged pleasure.
We have travelled extensively and still CANNOT find a more delightful, accomodating, helpful and trusting people that you find in the Greek Islands,
Message posted by Mozzy Man on 02 March 2005 at 4:05am - IP Logged
My local Kaffenion doesn't have a toilet or running water, (Pilavas is only 80 cents tho) so I risk life and limb by drinking from a glass, no electricty, so no TV, GREAT, if that's what you want, and I do on many occasions.
BUT the Greeks, want to watch the Greek teams play against Man U, Arsenal etc, it's where they live and that is now their culture. There are hundreds of old Greek villages around Corfu that have a mixture of old and (nearly new)
Mrs Moz and I had planned to visit the USA last year but discovered that you guys didn't travel around on horseback and fight Indians with a sixshooter anymore, now we have to go to Canada for our Hols. LOL
Message posted by Graham T-A on 02 March 2005 at 9:43am - IP Logged
You could impress the locals no end and, at the same time, prove to them that, not only are you "very pretty", but you are very masculine as well, by ordering "ena ouzo sketo, parakalo" - then knock it back in one.
That'll put more than hairs on your chest!!
Message posted by Graham T-A on 03 March 2005 at 8:40am - IP Logged
We were told that ke nero meant and water so a seperate glass of water but mey water meant with water so it would come already mixed with the water.
No, the local people don't come in and look at us as we are obviously not as pretty as you. They come in and talk to us and insist we sit with them. They chat to us and keep buying us drinks and only occasionally will let us buy them one. They are all very friendly and chat to us about their work and family and ask about our family. They are all so friendly it's unbelievable. It's as though we have lived there all our lives.
I thought 60 cents was the standard price everywhere on the island. You toffs up the north must have more money to throw around.
I like many others fell in love with Corfu on my first holiday. I came out here sixteen years ago and loved it ever since. The friendlyness of the people, the beauty of the island and the whole way of live. A good example of the friendlyness of the people I had when in the summer one of my cats got up a tree and couldn't get out. I phoned the firebrigade. They were there after 20 minutes ( from Corfu to San Markos!), apologised for the delay AND BROUGHT FRESH FISH and got my little darling out of the tree very gentle. So hereby onces more from my cat : Thank you mister fireman! and sorry for scratching you. Also the police has allways been more then helpfull and friendly with any problem I had.
Message posted by Portia on 04 March 2005 at 12:10am - IP Logged
You wrote: "Mrs Moz and I had planned to visit the USA last year but discovered that you guys didn't travel around on horseback and fight Indians with a sixshooter anymore, now we have to go to Canada for our Hols. LOL"
I hardly think 1968, 1971, and 1978 (times in Corfu to which I referred when speaking about "how it used to be") qualify as equivalent to 1868, 1871, and 1878 in the U.S.! But tut tut... rational thinking has no place with some folks, I guess. During those years, Corfu was backward to the U.S. (re society and progress as a whole) by only about 13 years, max. Not, as you imply, by more than a century. There were at that time in Corfu automobiles, paved roads, good plumbing, etc.
What I am talking about is, since the heavy influx of those British tour operators, much of the once open land has been eradicated for large ugly hotel/resorts, all spontaneous dancing by local Greeks has been made ILLEGAL (so as not to take away money from the huge hotels/resorts which offer Greek dancing by paid dancers, for the tourists' delectation) [confirmed by several Corfiots], there are very few open-to-the-public spontaneous musical get-togethers by Corfiots who just want to play their mandolins and sing in the moonlight at a little cafe (and for all I know, THAT's illegal, too!), and because of the huge influx of tourist dollars, many of the Corfiots who once just wanted to live a laid-back life and enjoy one of the most beautiful places on earth have, understandably, been transmogrified into people who live for the tourist dollar and thus are most amenable to changing the very focus of their lives, severely and detrimentally affecting the pace of life and the quality of life.
I would hardly call "greed" "progress." Yes, yes, it's the same everywhere, but it would be nice if we all did our little part to make certain that Corfiot land developers (whom I understand are NOT native Corfiots at all and are mostly all from other countries) are stopped when a picturesque bay is due to be destroyed by some monstrous tourist "resort" and when laws are passed banning some ancient cultural tradition, like Greek dancing done spontaneously. One cannot have one's cake (an idyll on an old Greek island valued for its tradition of friendliness and beauty) and eat it too. There should be legal limits to amounts of new hotels, tourist busses, American-style cafes, etc. All educated people pretty much stand by the "no" or "slow growth" movement, in order to secure beautiful land and cultures for future generations.
If one wants to stay at a raucous, all-the-amenities Hilton Hotel or its equivalent, one very definitely should --- just not on a placid, history-rich, friendly little Greek island like Corfu! The peasants are the very backbone of Corfu, and I think they need our support. What could be better than finding one's own lodging at an old 1850 establishment run by a Corfiot family, one which one finds quite serendipitously rather than by design many months prior to departure for Corfu? There are still places like that left, and just by patronizing those places which are not tied in to all the money-grubbing tour operators who despoil the land, the culture, and the people, one can do one's bit to retain Corfu's grace and charm.
Bravo to all the people here who have written in to acclaim the undisputed friendliness and warm-heartedness of the Corfiot people. Let's make certain they are going to be around for our children to get to know, too.
With all my heart, I don't mean to upset anyone. It's just something to think about, eh?
Message posted by Bongo on 04 March 2005 at 12:32am - IP Logged
I have to conclude though with a little tale of one of the finest meals that I've had in Corfu.
We were driving back from Agios Georges heading in Sidari/Roda direction, somewhere just inland from San Stefanos (N.W). Stopped at a taverna in the middle of nowhere called "Nicolas". We affectionately renamed the place "Gummies" after the dentally challenged owner.
Our party of 9 ordered a late afternoon snack of pitta kebabs , chips and a few salads and side dishes. We had drinks and a sing song whilst waiting for what we thought would effectively be fast food !
Our concerns mounted as time went by and no food arrived. Gummy was nowhere to be seen. Eventually plate after plate after plate was brought out by Gummy, the most delicious chunky chips and kebabs .
Gummy had peeled the potatoes and fried the chips - we suspected that he had dug the spuds up from the back garden. We drove home in the dark very satisfied !!!!!!!!
Message posted by Mozzy Man on 04 March 2005 at 12:52am - IP Logged
I made my comment, as always, a bit tongue in cheek.
The Places , sights and sounds you speak of are still here, believe me !
It may be illegal to smash plates in public for example, but it happens as it has always done, when a celebration takes place.
The Greeks give little regard for petty laws, they laugh at EEC regulations ! Greek traddition will always remain, as I hope the American and British tradditions will survive.
The great people of Greece will carry on with their life as they did hundreds of years ago, but the youngsters still want to watch football, maybe even go faster than a donkey on their Honda Mopeds. Some, in fact, quite a lot, choose to vist McDonalds in Corfu Town. Why not ?
If Corfu was a Museum we would have to pay to visit, wouldn't we ?
Message posted by Graham T-A on 04 March 2005 at 1:40pm - IP Logged
all spontaneous dancing by local Greeks has been made ILLEGAL - when did they pass that law??. Funny thing is we had a grill day in the village square yesterday and I can assure you that not only did the Greeks (and a few English) dance in the hall it was held in , they were dancing in the village square and in the road into the early hours on the morning. I would like to see anyone trying to stop them.
There are a few hangovers this morning..
Message posted by Hazel (Forum Editor) on 04 March 2005 at 1:59pm - IP Logged
This prompts me to ask about something from last Summer. I did mean to ask Nathan about it on our return but didn't get round to it.
It was the last night of our holiday in Loustri,so it would have been August 1st. It was late, and from the valley below the village (not far away from the path to Agni) came the most beautiful massed singing. I tried to investigate, but, unfortunately on passing the row of houses down by the side of the Bakery, set off someone's dog who in turn started another one barking a few miles away so I gave up!!It was too far away,I could only locate it by the sound-I only wish i could have seen it. Any idea what might have been going on that night?
Message posted by bevie on 04 March 2005 at 10:06pm - IP Logged
Don't know Hazel, but we had a vaguely similar experience last year strolling down the tiny streets of Corfu Town. [can't recall the name of the district just now, but it's kinda in the backstreets, opposite the port - well away from the touristy bits].
Anyway, we detected this wonderful cacophony of music and voices emanating from further along the street - obviously a large group of people involved. On further investigation we found a large room at ground level, which had all its doors and windows open onto the street and was full of local people singing their hearts out.
There was a small cafe opposite, so we took a while to stop and listen whilst enjoying some liquid refreshment. Turns out it was the local choir who had met for their weekly practice. We stayed for over an hour - they were brilliant.
Message posted by Bob and Wendy (Uncle Bob) on 05 March 2005 at 1:34am - IP Logged
Bob and Wendy
Where are you coming from?
First of all, land developed or sold for developement is owned and sold by Corfiots,
Would you rather they continued to survive on picking olives for the oil, starving?
I visit Corfu for a total of not less than 12 weeks a year, and I cant remember when I last did'nt join a dance at least 3 nights out of 7.
What is illegal about dancing?
Only plate smashing, and that is hardly traditional, having been introduced in the 60's to show a resistance to the Junta, it was a political statement. Nowadays it is only used in a tourist evening. In the UK as well.
Should a commercial establishment provide live music or public dancing, there is obviously an obligation for licencing, and public liability insurance to be concidered, as no doubt in your country.
But impromptue events still occur, well away from the tourist eye, or there are numerouse village panigearia all over the island during the summer, to which the tourists are encouraged to leave their lager bars for a few hours and gain a small insight into what makes the corfiots tick.
There are regulations as to how big and particularly, how high hotels can be built in rural areas throughout Greece.
I fail to understand where the extra visitors to the island are supposed to come from to fill the new hotels and villas that are built, when you understand that the total of tourists has remained static, and in some instances has reduced in the recent past. In addition most of the newer visitors seem to be from the eastern european countrys taking advantage of an all inclusive set up. ( Not like the BBE at all, but much smaller, similar to our old fashioned seaside BB&EM, that I remember as a child)
Message posted by Graham T-A on 06 March 2005 at 7:57am - IP Logged
I got my information from longtime Greek inhabitants of Corfu. About the dancing, I got that info. from a Corfiot who used to enjoy dancing spontaneously but who is now forbidden to. At least that is what he says and he is an intelligent businessman. I have no reason to doubt him. I got my information about the ownership of all those huge tourist "resorts" again from longtime Greek inhabitants of Corfu (businesspeople). They reeled off a long list of owners --- names and citizenship -- and none were Corfiot or Greek. They were huge overseas trusts or corporations. I can appreciate that you want high rises and the resultant disappearance of placid inlets and pastures, but it's just a difference of opinion. There are many who appreciate the pastoral beauty of Corfu.
No, of course, I don't wish the lovely Corfiots to starve. But before there were the all-inclusive big tour operators, they did not starve. Corfiots are very resourceful and did not starve before the advent of the huge tour operators. But waving all those millions of Euros in the Corfiots' faces did, indeed, change their focus, their goals, and their expectations. Quite understandably so.
If all those behemoth hotels and "resorts" were not filled, gee, maybe the rate of desecration of the land would go down; maybe people would think twice before wholesaledly cutting down trees and leveling hills. And surely you are not so naive to think that the Greeks actually adhere to laws and regulations re building heights, etc., when a greased palm is always there? There is no country on earth that is immune to a little graft. Just look at what has happened to the NorthEast. Tell me it's exactly the same. I remember Gouvia Bay when it was a peaceful, lovely bay. Now it's a bustling marina fit only for sailors and certainly not for peaceful picnics and moonlit rides in rowboats.
If tourism has gone down, as you say "in the recent past," that is only in the last 5 years. But if you look at the figures for the past 20 years, Corfu tourism has risen so sharply that much of the world media openly write about Corfu as being "trashed by tourism." I would think a little less tourism would be a first step at preserving Corfu's beauty. And if there were less all-inclusive big tour operators, there would not only be less tourists, there would be less of them from everywhere. Tourists might then be forced to think a little harder about the sanctity of where they're going, instead of how cheap and sunny it is, and to show more respect and dignity to this great island. How is that bad? People tend to respect that which is harder to obtain. If one can go for a weekend to a cheap lovely spot, how does that encourage respect for the place? Do Californians respect Tijuana (or what's left of Tijuana)? Maybe higher prices and less availability is just what's the ticket.
If what all of you who have written is true --- that there is still a lot of spontaneous community dancing and singing --- then I am absolutely delighted beyond belief. I saw a smidgin --- only a smidgin of it -- in 2001 but feared it had disappeared altogether. Very gratified to hear all is well in that dept.
Where am I coming from? I am coming from concern for the island that I so dearly love. If my concern inspires negativity, I guess the alternative is not to be concerned at all and to go blithely whistling into the night. I just hope the sound of my whistles doesn't have anywhere to bounce off of in Corfu except tall concrete walls.
Message posted by Bob and Wendy (Uncle Bob) on 06 March 2005 at 1:12pm - IP Logged
Bob and Wendy
Not this year, we are there for Easter, then again mid june, followed by our usual July/August trip with the girls, always planned to coinside with the Lafki and Strinilas Panigeria, and in between these 2 is the Loutses bash.
Message posted by Graham T-A on 10 March 2005 at 2:15am - IP Logged
Just arrived back in UK this evening. We will be back for Easter. Maybe we will see you then.
It seems that it is only illegal to dance in these all inclusive places. As I said before, it's everyones choice where they go. Come and stay for a week with one of Agni-Travels properties and see the differance in the N/E. Gouvia is NOT in the N/E. I have had lovely evenings with Phil (Hellene) in Gouvia including lots of Greek dancing (not impromptue) but it is so differant to the N/E and many other villages in the centre of the island, like the village where Bob has a house. When we first went to Corfu, probably the best resorts where Kavos, Sidari and Kassiopi which were sleepy fishing villages. They (in my view) are no longer the traditional Cotfu they were so I don't go there any more. I don't begrudge them their increased income as I would probably have done the same but please remember that the old Corfu still exists but you won't find it in the resorts with the satelite TV and the foam bars.
The Paneria in our village on the 21 st? May would show you that the village life is still there. There is a second one early September so try to come to them and then let your friends tell you that it is illegal to dance in the streets in Corfu!!
Message posted by Portia on 10 March 2005 at 3:22am - IP Logged
Graham: Thanks for the info. I am, by the way, perfectly aware that Gouvia is not in the N/E of Corfu! I was only referring to it by general info. to back up what I had been saying. I am actually pretty "up" on where villages are on Corfu, having been to Corfu a myriad times.
I have never been to an "all-inclusive" in my life, and would not consider it. I have been, just for the day, at a "resort" (to get a massage), but wouldn't go there again. Too sterile for me. I will write to my friends on Corfu and find out their take on what they said to me in person (about the dancing being illegal). I believe you, though. All the more reason to avoid those "all-inclusives" and "resorts," which give very little money back to the indigenous peoples!
Am sooo glad about all the impromptu Greek dancing you say is going on in the N/E! Whoopeee!
Just out of curiosity, isn't it "panayeia" (pronounced "pan-a-yee-ah")?
Again, Graham, thanks for your uplifting news!
Message posted by Mozzy Man on 10 March 2005 at 3:33am - IP Logged
It's not what most people would call the N/E area. I would think that most people would think of it as more 'central' East due to it's proximity to Corfu town. Most people seem to use the term to describe an area from Nisaki to Kassiopi.
What does everyone else think?
Yes Portia, I think that is the way to say it. I don't believe that this still only happens on the NE coast and must be happening all over the island. It's just that I know this part of the island better. I suppose that the larger establishments have to be more careful about what they allow. I am sure that they would need music licenses, entertainment licenses etc for this to be allowed and third party liability insurance to cover it which makes it all very difficult for them.
Message posted by Portia on 11 March 2005 at 10:36pm - IP Logged
Graham: So sorry to hear that fear of litigiousness is as rife in Corfu as it is in other parts of the world! That's "progress"! Oh well, as long as folks can still dance spontaneously in the smaller places or even in the streets, I'm reasonably happy!
As for Gouvia, I agree with you. Most folks would probably consider Gouvia tp be sort of Central East, and most folks do consider the N/E as being from Nissaki to Kassiopi.
I have travelled to many of the Greek islands and to be honest I never feel the need to go anywhere else. As when taking holidays in all countries the area that you visit is more important than the Country or island with a little research -now so easy on the net you can make sure you get exactly what you want from your holiday. Below are just a few things that make me keep comming back to Greece.
The wecome and friendlyness of The Greeks
The family values and care and respect given to all
general good value.
the relaxed attitude
The bad points wine could be improved ! and I dont know how anything gets done !
Looking forward to our next trip Aghios Gordios in June
Message posted by brian c on 12 March 2005 at 9:31pm - IP Logged
only ever been to the islands enjoyed many of the things others have mentioned,
but the best thing about greece has to be the people,warm' friendly and smiling.
also the very low crime rate is a major factor
Message posted by Portia on 12 March 2005 at 10:15pm - IP Logged
Hi, We've only been visiting Greece since 1991. Our first ever Greek holiday was Sidari in Corfu, and we've never looked back. We loved the friendly people, the laid-back attitudes, the beautiful scenery. Most of the time, nothing is too much trouble. "No Problem". I think the food has improved tremendously since we first visited, with many more Greek meals on offer. I used to hate black olives, now I buy them almost weekly (I love the whole Kalamata olives in brine). I've developed a taste for retsina, especially delicious served ice cold with a plate of olives. Almost all my cooking is now done using olive oil, and I always drizzle some over my salad.
I admire how the older women seem to do most of the work while the older men chat and drink coffee (I admire the women for putting up with it, and the men for getting away with it)! and how the young Greek women are almost always beautiful, and the young men handsome. As a woman, I'm not too impressed with the Machismo, but it seems to impress alot of women so they must be doing something right! I like how people are not afraid to ask you about yourself, your family, your opinions, virtually anything at all.
Since 1991 we have visited many places in Greece, both on the islands and the mainland and, as in the rest of the world, not all locals are friendly and trustworthy, not all food is delicious, and not all wine is drinkable! But there does seem to be a higher percentage of friendly people in Greece than in some other countries I've been to. It must that the Greek people are a lot less reserved about expressing themselves - I wish I could speak good Greek sometimes, when overhearing a particularly spirited debate! I find it interesting that politics are often discussed - people in the UK don't seem to do this, except maybe for the occasional derisory comment about a certain party or political figure.
Greek people seem to have a shrewd business sense, don't seem to take competition lightly, and in business most would do you up tighter than a kipper, - but I see this as a positive trait, especially as it is all done with a smile.
The closeness of the family impresses me, as does the popularity of the church. The one thing that I can't come to terms with is the rubbish and litter. I know that in many areas now the rubbish is dealt with better than it used to be, but one bold memory I have is of a journey we made on the mainland when we were touring by motorbike for a few months. We were riding through a fantastic wooded gorge in the mountains going towards Megalopoli, the day was bright but cool (late September), fantastic views from some of the hairpin bends, when we slowed for a particularly sharp bend and were hit by an awful smell, so bad it made you gag. Upon looking down the side of the valley, we realised that there were mounds of rubbish bags, the rubbish falling down the side of the gorge and piling up at the bottom! As we drove by, a pickup truck stopped and tipped another load over the edge. I noticed this on a quite a few occasions as we were travelling. I know the rubbish has to go somewhere, but I can't understand why its sometimes dumped in places of such outstanding beauty.
I hope not to offend anyone, I love Greece and its peoples, it's the one place I'll always return to, and the only other place in the world apart from Britain that shares that part of me that registers as "home".
Oh dear, I'm getting too sentimental now. I'll go and do some ironing, to bring me back down to earth. Bump. Di
I love so many things about Greece... the easygoing, kind people, the food, the beaches, the art and culture. Greece has modernised very rapidly and has done a mostly good job of keeping the best of the old ways (such as hospitality and the importance of family) while offering its people more opportunities and a better standard of living. But I have to agree with Di that one thing that really bothers me when I'm in Greece is the lack of caring about the environment. And such a beautiful environment it is, too, which makes it all the more heartbreaking to see it filling up with discarded plastic bags!! Air pollution in Athens, beaches marred by ugly buildings, forest fires deliberately set to clear land for immediate construction, no recycling of cans or most bottles--much change is needed on this front to keep Greece a healthy and beautiful place to live and to visit.
Though I must say, I was pleased to discover you can re-use those plastic water bottles by refilling them with wine at the grocery store! It's a good start...
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