Hi there, merry xmas & happy new year to you all. Can anyone help? does anyone know the easiest driving route from Manchester to Roda.I have been looking on different route finders and only come up with,Dover to Athens.If anyone has driven to Roda i would value your experience.
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Hi Lucky.
There are a few members who have driven down to Corfu, one in particular does most times. I pondered over the idea myself for a future trip, and using my Autoroute 2005, I plan in a route from my home town, via Dover, and down to Italy, either Venice or Bari (further south), and then plan the ferry from there.
From those who have done this trip, it appears that 3 days, is the norm. Remember the ferry from Venice is 23 hours.
The above link is a previous topic on this subject from back at the beginning of the year. You can also do a search (magnifying glass icon), type in Driving to Corfu in the subject box, and this will bring up lots more topics on the same subject.
Other members, in particular those who have done the drive will see this in due course and hopefully give there ideas on the subject. In the meantime, I hope this gives you something to look at.
Yammas, Chris.
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Hi Lucky, we have done the trip from Derbyshire to the N/E coast of Corfu several times and always different ways we could probably give you some advice here. If all the aeroplanes stopped flying to Corfu I think my wife would be very happy as she would always drive if at all possible. I am just sorting out the page for Nathan with a few different suggestions by people who have done it in the past. If you give me a little more info on the speed you want to do it and the price you want to pay(do you want to pay for cabins or are you prepared to sleep on the deck?)
PS Just booked the tickets to go back again at the end of January. Dover-Calais, hotel in south of Belgium, Next day to Black Forest then following day to Austria, stop for a couple of days Ski-ing, over to Italy, stop again for a couple of days ski-ing (assuming no broken limbs from Austria), down to lake Garda for a night then on the Venice ferry next day for a relaxing trip to Corfu.
You said you wanted an easy route but do you really want it this easy or is there a time factor involved (or cost)?? Give us a clue please
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Like Graham, we have driven over to corfu many times - see my posting on the link provided by sailor.
You may also like to have a look at an article posted in the "travel to Greece" thread, entitled Corfu on two wheels, which describes my trip out on a motorbike during the summer (I'm curently putting together an article about the return trip).
Note that the Gothard Tunnel now closes at 8pm - after this time you have to over the pass - as I did, and in the dark!
Martyn
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hiya we drove to corfu last year.we drove through france then italy it was a straight road.we got the ferry from venice. well my dad and mum did the driving and hubby and i looked at the views.
nell .....
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This is what Elaine and I want to do sometime. So would be greatful for actual routes, stopover places, etc, so that I can input into my Autoroute 2005. We are quite happy to travel throughout the day, with lunch stops, drink stops, stopping over at a Travel Lodge or similar for the night from about 8pm. Arriving in Italy, Venice for the ferry.
I did plot Bournemouth to Corfu into my Autoroute, and it gave a route down to Venice in 1 day and 4hrs. Is this about right. I intend to allow 3 days each way, including ferry crossing.
Your thoughts and ideas on this would be grateful.
Yammas. Chris.
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Hi Martyn.
Cheers mate. Now there is a thought, do I want the quick route, or the scenic route. Would it be possible to asked for both, when ever you have a moment please.
Yammas, Chris
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I did Dover to Dunkirk. First stop Brussells (not a good place to drive though!), then on to Innsbruck through Germany (avoiding the French tolls), then Venice. Took 5 days, but quite steady driving. You can do a lot faster than that if you like.
The motorways through Austria are still very scenic.
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I did see your car (grey Ford Ka?) parked somewhere near Nissaki, way back in June. Sadly, I was on my way back to Corfu town (on the bike) to catch the ferry to Igoumenitsa and then homewards. Didn't have time to stop and look you up. Hey ho.
Martyn
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Thanks Debbi for your input, I will take a look at that route. Five days is a bit long. I am looking at 3 Days altogether if I can.
Yammas, Chris.
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Hi all, thanks for all the info. The reason i want to drive is i'm taking my dog,and don't fancy her being in the cargo hold of a plane. I will need to stop off for her,dont know if i will find places to stay over night, i may buy a tent Hate them though so would prefer to stay in a proper room.I would'nt mind the shortest route.But there is no rush really,i'm not going on holiday.I'm going to live their with my dad who is retiering their.
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Quote: Originally posted by Sailor on 15 December 2005
Thanks Debbi for your input, I will take a look at that route. Five days is a bit long. I am looking at 3 Days altogether if I can.
Yammas, Chris.
You can do this route in 3 days Chris, but 3 days is motorways and quick stops for coffee etc. Debbie stayed in the same hotel for 2/3 days in her 5 day trip. As Debbie says, no tolls on this route until Italy and then only about 5 euro. Avoid Switzerland as they are not an EEC country. If you are carrying goods you could be asked to pay VAT on them when entering Switzerland and the pay again when going back into the EEC.
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Yes, sorry Chris, forgot to mention I stayed 2 nights in Innsbruck! Lovely place. You could do the route I took in 3 days easily. I think we paid about €18 in tolls through Italy, then €7 for the Austrian Vignette
Martyn, that would have been my car - I always parked it just off the main road by Jimmys scooter hire. Sorry to miss you! I'm back now, but hoping to return next year
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Thanks Debbi for your input, I will take a look at that route. Five days is a bit long. I am looking at 3 Days altogether if I can.
Yammas, Chris.
Try this Chris.
1. Start at Dover (UK). 833 yards 762 m 0 yards 0 m 2. Continue to go on with the Ferry Dover-Calais. ( Dover ) 14.5 miles 23.3 km 833 yards 762 m 3. You are leaving United Kingdom, and entering France. 4. You just left DOVER. 5. Leave the Ferry Calais-Dover and continue by the car. 10.9 miles 17.5 km 15 miles 24.1 km 6. Continue straight onto Rocade Est. 1.2 miles 1.9 km 25.9 miles 41.6 km 7. Continue straight onto Rocade Est. ( Calais ) 2.5 miles 4 km 27 miles 43.5 km 8. Leave the Rocade Est, and join the A216 at the (3) PORTE DE L'INDUSTRIE junction. 1.3 miles 2 km 29.5 miles 47.5 km 9. Leave the A216 at junction ÉCHANGEUR PORTE DE SAINT-OMER and straight ahead into A26 direction REIMS, ARRAS, PARIS, ST OMER. 449 yards 411 m 30.8 miles 49.6 km 10. Leave the A26 and straight ahead into A26. 157.9 miles 254 km 31.1 miles 50 km 11. Leave the A26 at junction ÉCHANGEUR À LA NEUVILLETTE and straight ahead onto roundabout direction REIMS-LA-NEUVILETTE. 0.8 miles 1.2 km 188.9 miles 304 km 12. After 0.8 miles take the 4th Exit off the roundabout into N44 (Avenue Nationale). 680 yards 622 m 189.7 miles 305.2 km 13. Continue straight into N44 (Avenue Nationale). ( Reims ) 2.3 miles 3.8 km 190.1 miles 305.9 km 14. After 2.3 miles take the 1st Exit off the Place De La République (Roundabout) onto Place De La République. ( Reims ) 31 yards 28 m 192.4 miles 309.6 km 15. Continue straight onto Boulevard Joffre. ( Reims ) 400 yards 366 m 192.4 miles 309.6 km 16. Continue straight onto Boulevard Louis Roederer. ( Reims ) 756 yards 691 m 192.6 miles 310 km 17. Leave the Boulevard Louis Roederer, and join the A4 at the ÉCHANGEUR DE REIMS-CENTRE junction. 3.4 miles 5.4 km 193.1 miles 310.7 km 18. Leave the A4 and straight ahead into A4. 184.1 miles 296.2 km 196.4 miles 316.1 km 19. Leave the A4 at junction ÉCHANGEUR DE SAVERNE HUNGERBERG and straight ahead into N404 direction SAVERNE. 4.1 miles 6.6 km 380.5 miles 612.4 km 20. Continue straight onto roundabout. 225 yards 206 m 384.6 miles 618.9 km 21. After 225 yards take the 3rd Exit off the roundabout into N4. 2.5 miles 4.1 km 384.7 miles 619.1 km 22. Continue straight into N4. 6.2 miles 10 km 387.3 miles 623.2 km 23. Turn right into D422. 7.9 miles 12.7 km 393.5 miles 633.3 km 24. Continue straight into D422 (Rue Saint-Jean). ( Dorlisheim ) 85 yards 78 m 401.4 miles 645.9 km 25. After 85 yards take the 2nd Exit off the roundabout into D500. 4.7 miles 7.6 km 401.4 miles 646 km 26. Leave the D500, and join the A35 at the (11) junction. 19.1 miles 30.8 km 406.2 miles 653.7 km 27. Leave the A35 at junction (18) ÉCHANGEUR DE SAINT-HYPPOLYTE and straight ahead into N83 direction GUÉMAR, [N83] COLMAR. 6.6 miles 10.6 km 425.3 miles 684.4 km 28. Leave the N83, and join the A35 at the (23) ÉCHANGEUR DU ROSENKRANZ junction. 41 miles 66 km 431.9 miles 695.1 km 29. You are leaving France, and entering Switzerland. 30. Leave the A35 at junction BASEL-EUROAIRPORT and straight ahead into A3. 2.1 miles 3.3 km 472.9 miles 761 km 31. Continue straight into A2 / A3. 7.8 miles 12.6 km 475 miles 764.3 km 32. Leave the A2 / A3 at junction VERZWEIGUNG AUGST and straight ahead into A2 direction BERN, LUZERN, ARISDORF, GOTTHARD. 18.1 miles 29.1 km 482.8 miles 776.9 km 33. Continue straight into A1 / A2 direction ROTHRIST, [E35] GOTTHARD, [A1] LUZERN, [A2] ZÜRICH. 4.8 miles 7.7 km 500.8 miles 806 km 34. Leave the A1 / A2 at junction VERZWEIGUNG WIGGERTAL and straight ahead into A2 direction REIDEN, [A2] LUZERN, [E35] GOTTHARD. 69.1 miles 111.2 km 505.6 miles 813.7 km 35. Continue straight into A2 (Gotthardtunnel). 10.9 miles 17.6 km 574.7 miles 924.9 km 36. Continue straight into A2. 66.8 miles 107.5 km 585.7 miles 942.5 km 37. You are leaving Switzerland, and entering Italy. 38. Leave the A2 at junction SVINCOLO COMO NORD and straight ahead into A9. 857 yards 784 m 652.5 miles 1050 km 39. Leave the A9 and join the A9. 4.4 miles 7.1 km 653 miles 1050.8 km 40. Leave the A9 and straight ahead into A9. 5.5 miles 8.8 km 657.4 miles 1057.9 km 41. Leave the A9 and join the A9. 9.3 miles 15 km 662.9 miles 1066.7 km 42. Leave the A9 at junction SVINCOLO ORIGGIO OVEST and straight ahead into A8 direction MILANO via [A8], LINATE AEROPORTO. 2.8 miles 4.5 km 672.1 miles 1081.7 km 43. Leave the A8 at junction SVINCOLO ARESE and straight ahead into A50 direction LINATE, BOLOGNA via [A1], TORINO via [A4], GENOVA via [A7], [E62] TORINO, [E66] TANGENZIALE OVEST, [E35] GENOVA. 2.1 miles 3.5 km 674.9 miles 1086.1 km 44. Leave the A50 and join the A50. 17.7 miles 28.4 km 677.1 miles 1089.6 km 45. Leave the A50 at junction SVINCOLO SAN GIULIANO MILANESE and straight ahead into A1 direction [A1] BOLOGNA. 113.3 miles 182.4 km 694.7 miles 1118 km 46. Continue straight into A14 direction RAVENNA, PADOVA via [A13], AEROPORTO, FIERA, BORGO PANIGALE, [A14] ANCONA, BARI. 418 miles 672.6 km 808 miles 1300.4 km 47. Leave the A14 at junction (9) and straight ahead onto SS16 (Tangenziale) direction BRINDISI, LECCE, BARI CENTRO, TARANTO via [E843]. 41.7 miles 67 km 1226 miles 1973 km 48. Continue straight onto SS379. 31 miles 49.8 km 1267.7 miles 2040 km 49. Continue straight onto SS379 (Strada Statale Traiana 379 monopoli). ( Brindisi ) 0.7 miles 1.1 km 1298.6 miles 2089.9 km 50. Continue straight onto SS16 (Strada Statale 16 Sud Per Lecce). ( Brindisi ) 0.8 miles 1.3 km 1299.3 miles 2090.9 km 51. Continue straight onto roundabout direction MESAGNE, TARANTO, OSPEDALE ANTONIO PERRINO, BRINDISI CENTRO. ( Brindisi ) 379 yards 347 m 1300.1 miles 2092.2 km 52. After 379 yards take the 3rd Exit off the roundabout onto Via Appia. ( Brindisi ) 624 yards 571 m 1300.3 miles 2092.6 km 53. Turn right onto Viale San Giovanni Bosco. ( Brindisi ) 614 yards 561 m 1300.7 miles 2093.2 km 54. Continue straight onto Viale Palmiro Togliatti. ( Brindisi ) 318 yards 291 m 1301 miles 2093.7 km 55. Continue straight onto Viale Aldo Moro. ( Brindisi ) 0.5 miles 805 m 1301.2 miles 2094 km 56. Continue straight onto Corso Alcide De Gasperi/Corso Roma/Cavalcavia Alcide De Gasperi. ( Brindisi ) 346 yards 316 m 1301.7 miles 2094.8 km 57. Continue straight onto Corso Roma. ( Brindisi ) 407 yards 372 m 1301.9 miles 2095.1 km 58. Turn right onto Via Porta Lecce. ( Brindisi ) 67 yards 61 m 1302.1 miles 2095.5 km 59. Turn left onto Via Lata. ( Brindisi ) 416 yards 380 m 1302.2 miles 2095.6 km 60. Turn right onto Via Antonio Fratti. ( Brindisi ) 46 yards 42 m 1302.4 miles 2095.9 km 61. Turn left onto Via Del Mare. ( Brindisi ) 433 yards 396 m 1302.4 miles 2096 km 62. Turn right onto Piazza Vittorio Emanuele Ii. ( Brindisi ) 56 yards 51 m 1302.7 miles 2096.4 km 63. Turn right onto Via Regina Giovanna Di Bulgaria. ( Brindisi ) 549 yards 502 m 1302.7 miles 2096.4 km 64. Continue to go on with the Ferry Br?ndisi-Kerkira. 655 yards 599 m 1303 miles 2096.9 km 65. You are leaving Italy, and entering Greece. 66. Leave the Ferry Br?ndisi-Kerkira and continue by the car. 138.1 miles 222.2 km 1303.4 miles 2097.5 km 67. Continue straight onto 24. 414 yards 379 m 1441.5 miles 2319.7 km 68. Turn right onto 24. 5.8 miles 9.3 km 1441.7 miles 2320.1 km 69. Turn right onto Kassiopi. 13.9 miles 22.3 km 1447.5 miles 2329.4 km 70. You have arrived your destination "Kassiopi (GR)". 0 yards 0 m 1461.4 miles 2351.8 km . I'm sure you will find Roda.afer that! Total distance: 1461.4 miles (2351.8 km ) Total estimated time: 31 hours and 24 min Don't drive tired. Plan a 15-minute break into your journey for every two hours you'll be on the road. If you feel tired whilst driving stop at a service station for a coffee and take a short nap before continuing. Average speed of 30 Miles/h on national and country roads. Average speed of 60 Miles/h on motorways.
What do you think? Davyboy
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Hi Davyboy.
Many many thanks for your very explicit directions. I shall certainly be keeping them (I have saved them on my PC). I shall plot the route into my system to see it actually on the map.
You mentioned taking the 15 minute breaks every couple of hours. I take it from the 31 hours of travel, you did not do an over night stop prior to boarding the ferry at Brindisi. If this is the case, did you find this OK.
Many thanks again.
Yammas, Chris.
PS: Thanks to Debbi and Graham for the updates.
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We have booked for kassiopi for June/July. But we are thinking of doing the drive in Sept/Oct time. the rout i sent you is on which i have got from Michelin-mapping. Here is the rest of my research. F/B Ionion Star. Prices in euros
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Times. Dept. Mon. 22.30/Arr05.00
All other days Dept 11.30/Arr18.00. Brind/Corfu. the times are as planed but may be subject to change as are the prices.
We have planed for no over night stop as we would be getting the Monday boat.
Fuel Cost.453 Euros. most of which would be got from over the channel.
the only thing i cannot cost is the road tolls. But the rout picked is the on with the minimum. I hope this is of some use to you.
Davyboy.
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Cheers Davyboy. I had already seen that ferry pricings, but I have added it to my list of things. It does sound a good way of doing the run, and then resting on the ferry. The longest I have ever driven with just short stops is 15 hours. Can I ask, what time did you set off from home, and what time did you arrive at Brindisi Ferry Port.
Thanks again.
Yammas, Chris.
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Hi Sailor. I think you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I haven't done the drive yet. The info i have given you is of research i have done for our forthcoming trip. Although i have done La Franc in Spain stopping for a 2 hour sleep in services just out side Paris. and a 4 hour sleep in a place called Orang'e in the south of France, and then on to La Franc. So it should not be a problem. I hope!!!!. Sorry if i may have mislead you.
Davyboy.
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I haven't studied you route but the distance and times seems very high. Normally, when we have driven down, the distance from Harwich or Dover to the ferry in Venice is only 900 miles(the shortest route being 777 miles and the longest being 945 miles) with 13 hours driving plus stops. The extra 500 miles to Brindisi plus an extra night stop with more than 31 hours driving plus any tolls in France must make it cheaper to take the Venice route, even with the extra ferry costs. The time must also be about the same as there is at least an extra 14 hours driving to Brindisi but the Venice ferry takes 12 hours longer.
Any idea what the French tolls cost on this route? I have never done this route as it always looked expensive and a lot of driving.
The easiest we found was Harwich to Hook of Holland overnight with cabin. Board the ferry at 10PM for a couple of beers and a meal. Set off at 7.30 am from Rotterdam after a good nights sleep and good evening meal + breakfast and a shower (all free on the overnight crossing) and then 10 hours driving to the North of Italy plus 2 X 1 hour stops for coffee breaks/fuel stops, so you get a hotel about 7.30PM. A meal and a good nights sleep before a relaxing start after breakfast at about 9AM and a nice 3 hour drive down to Venice via Cortina d'Amprezzo in the beautiful Italian ski-ing area. Get on Ferry at about 1.30PM then 24 hours of relaxing with good restaurants and even 100 channel satellite TV in your cabin if you get the right boat. With this route the only extra costs are 7 Euro for the Austrian Vignette and 5 Euro for the Italian motorway from the Austrian/Italian border near the Brenner pass and turning off the motorway at Fortezza. Hotels are plentiful and cheap in this area with large rooms with huge balconies costing around 50 Euros a night for two people including breakfast.
The good thing about this route is you can leave work on a Friday night and be in Corfu Monday afternoon having had 3 good nights sleep and relaxing meals with no stress, arriving fresher than you started off.
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Hi Davyboy, Your last post crossed mine as it came in when I was typing mine. I have also driven down to La Franc in Spain and that area a couple of times but it is much shorter than the trip to Greece. Sleeping in the car was the order of the day so many years ago but I'm getting too old for all that and Greece is a lot further. Please be careful when driving such huge distances without proper sleep in a real bed.
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Hi Davyboy. You are right, I did think you had done the trip, my apologies for jumping the gun. If you go before me, I will be interested in how the route was.
Hi Graham, many thanks for your route details. This one also sounds very good. I have been researching in to costs also, and found that it can be slightly cheaper getting to Venice (with stops and stopovers), and the longer ferry route, than driving on down to Brindisi, and across.
All routes given will go into my system, and see what comes up.
Yammas, Chris
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Thanks Graham for your advice on the best route.and thank you for your concern. As you will have read it will be our first drive to Corfu. and the route i put on the board, was the first i had researched. I have found 3 different routes to Venice. from different route planners which range from 1,057 to 1,212 miles. so if you could tell me where to look for your route i would be most grateful. So i can weigh up the proses and cons (IE Venice or Brindise) At the out set the "Drive" was the main thing as i love driving. But at the end of the day i suppose common sense will provale. Again. "THANKYOU"
Davyboy.
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Just got back to UK from good old Corfu therefore taking oposite direction.
For driving Corfu - venice (or vici verci) is best option, Brindisi or Bari is further down than it looks (I've used both in past) and down there you'd better take your car wheels into the hotel at night.
My route briefly
Friday 7.00am greek time ferry to Venice arrive 9.00 Greek time (8am Italian time) Venice towards Milan, turn right just after Verona towards Brenner/Brennero (Brenner pass).
Brenner pass (and all other minor roads I tried to find) was closed for 4 or five hours when I got there so I joined all the skiers in their gear for a sing song , me in t-shirt, bit out of place.
Finally opened, went on way .... advice if you buy snow chains and there is a heavy blizzard blowing with ice on road in minus temperatures then use them... I couldn't be bothered hence missing nearside wing, indicator and bent bumper, landrover road tyres don't like ice either, I did three pretty full piruouettes smacked into central reservation and then slid into middle of motorway, low points for skill but quite high on artistic impression.
Another piece of advice, Italian toll booth collectors spot foriegners easily, you roll up to pay, hand them a note, they give you back small change and raise barrier and show green light, pressure of vehicles behind cause you to put foot down before you realise you haven't been given your small notes as change. If you do wait the collector has them in his/her hand and will give them to you, neat little trick, They've tried it three times on me now, the first time it worked.
Anyway continue to Innsbruck, you can turn left (A12) and find a slip road that leads to a minor road leading in turn to the A7 in Germany or turn right on the A12 then A8 to Munchen. For the former I would suggest you use one of the routeplanners and zoom in on this area to print it because it is easy to take wrong road, I know from previous xp, coasting round Austrian Alps at 1am is not good.
Head to Ulm then Stuttgart, KarlsruhePirmassens (zoom in and print this area too) Saarbrucken, into Luxenburg (buy petrol/diesel here, it's cheap). To Brussels (RO ring road, avoid rush hours, m25 type area), head for Gent then Ostende/Dunkerque. Use Norfoplk lines from Dunkerque to Dover they are keeping ahead of the competition.
Hope that helps a little.
Ian
PS I did it in 2 days almost non-stop up to Yorkshire in an old landrover with a leaky radiator (kept heating on full all time thermostat luckily stayed closed so lost no water) and , as has been said better to take rest stops, I chanced it but that was very stupid.
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Good route if travelling vehicle + people + personal luggage. Be aware though that Switzerland is not in EU, therefore if taking any goods other than personal, even perhaps a caravan, the Swiss border guards often take great pleasure in making things difficult (rightly or wrongly) - paperwork, searches etc.
Ian
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I will need to stop off for her,dont know if i will find places to stay over night, i may buy a tent 
Hate them though so would prefer to stay in a proper room.I would'nt mind the shortest route.But there is no rush really,i'm not going on holiday.I'm going to live their with my dad who is retiering their. 
