"..The new charge, the latest in a series of tax increases, will range from 50 cents to 10 euros per square meter according to the value of the property and will apply for two years, Venizelos said, noting that the tax would be added to electricity bills to thwart would-be tax evaders. There will be concessions for the disabled, the unemployed and large families...".
Message posted by thecorfiot on 12 September 2011 at 12:33pm - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by JohnandHilary on 11 September 2011
Just refuse to pay it and threaten Brussels involvement, we did the last time they asked for the house tax two years ago. We [as expats] are bolstering their economy and they have no right to inflict these [pluck out of the air taxes}...stand your ground and tell them to take a hike ...we do.
John & Hilary,
I don't understand why you think that any group of people should be exempt. I assume that you, like myself, are guests in this country.
This proposal is for a legally imposed tax by a legally and democratically elected government. If our Greek hosts object, the solution is in their hands, not ours. Of course that doesn't stop us from complaining about it.
Refusing to pay a legally imposed tax is frankly laughable. If you wish to criminalise yourself, that is your prerogative. The solution is ultimately in your own hands.
As for what expatriates contribute to the economy, I can assure you that there are plenty that contribute nothing.
Personally, I don't like it but will pay it if required to do so.
Like most British, I detest people who visit Britain and then try to avoid their commitments. I don't expect my Greek hosts to feel any different.
Finally, is my memory failing me or do I recall that a recent law gives the police power to arrest anyone that owes more than €5000 in outstanding tax?
Have a nice day!
Message posted by nick22 on 12 September 2011 at 12:42pm - IP Logged
I don't think that I have explained myself enough.
What I was getting at was that people from the UK who earn money in the UK have to transfer over via international bank transfer to Greek bank account a minimum amount of euros before end of December each year so that the dont have to pay tax on this money in Greece that has been sent over.
Our's is a minimum of 3000 euros each year based on 45 Sqmtrs.
What I was getting at was, that if this property tax system is now in place then people owning property in Corfu (who live in UK) will have to ensure that they transfer enough funds before December to cover this amount, otherwise they may be subject to paying income tax in Greece.
Hope everyone now understands my drift!!!
Message posted by janmanessi on 12 September 2011 at 1:46pm - IP Logged
Maybe I am being thick (highly likely!) but as this tax is apparently going to be charged on electricity bills surely it just means ensuring that there are sufficient funds in Greece to pay your electricity bill plus the tax- whether or not the money is safely in Greece before December will not affect your tax position- or am I wrong?
Message posted by janmanessi on 12 September 2011 at 1:51pm - IP Logged
Sid Ari It seems that a large amount of the Greek population believe they are immune from taxation ... that is why Greece is such a mess.
Agree, but there are also a lot of extremely poor people in Greece who quite rightly should not have to pay tax. Whole families live on incomes that many single people would struggle to survive on.
Anyway, two wrongs (Greeks who should pay tax but don't) and expatriates who winge (a number of whom will probably have come to live abroad to avoid paying into the tax system at home) do not make a right!
Bob G- don't know if it was intentional but I loved your spellng of ex patriot...a very good way of describing some of those who leave their own country for a better life elsewhere!
Message posted by nick22 on 12 September 2011 at 2:34pm - IP Logged
You could be right, but will have to ensure that I transfer a little more before December just in-case they increase the minimum amount that I need to send over (this year was 3000 euros on 45sq mtr), not sure if they will add the property tax to this amount. We will see!!!
Message posted by 2Tonsils on 12 September 2011 at 2:44pm - IP Logged
Just to point out another aspect to this...People who rent property here from landlords will probably have this tax to pay as well. Most landlords here pass on the whole electric bill (including rates/taxes) to each tenant in a property to pay their share for their area of the property. Worth finding out what you will have to pay if you are on a limited budget such as a pension, which many are.
Message posted by nick22 on 12 September 2011 at 2:53pm - IP Logged
Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos heralded fresh austerity measures over the weekend, chiefly a new property tax, a day after Prime Minister George Papandreou insisted that his government would do everything necessary to plug a gaping budget deficit and secure the next installment of emergency funding on which the country’s solvency depends.
The development came a few days before a scheduled visit by inspectors from the European Union and International Monetary Fund. The auditors are to decide whether the government has made enough progress in plugging a budget shortfall to qualify for a sorely needed 8-billion-euro loan tranche.
European Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn hailed the government’s initiative and said he expected the inspectors to complete their audit by the end of September. “I welcome the expressed commitment by the Greek government to fully meet the agreed fiscal targets this year and next,” Rehn said on Sunday.
Noting that the next two months would be “hellish,” Venizelos told a press conference earlier Sunday that the government had no option but to do “everything necessary” to cover a budget shortfall, estimated at 2 billion euros, following a deeper-than-expected recession.
The new charge, the latest in a series of tax increases, will range from 50 cents to 10 euros per square meter according to the value of the property and will apply for two years, Venizelos said, noting that the tax would be added to electricity bills to thwart would-be tax evaders. There will be concessions for the disabled, the unemployed and large families.
The minister also heralded cutbacks in public spending but Papandreou doused speculation about mass redundancies among civil servants.
In another, largely symbolic move, a month’s salary is to be cut from all elected officials, ranging from the president to the country’s mayors.
Papandreou conceded that the additional measures were tough but likened them to crucial supplies during war. “These measures are the supplies we need to fight,” he said.
On Saturday night, addressing an audience of entrepreneurs and politicians at his annual economic policy speech, Papandreou said his key goal was to meet Greece’s commitments to its creditors and keep the country solvent. “Every delay, every option other than strict compliance with our commitments is dangerous,” he said, adding, “We will remain in the eurozone.”
In an apparent dig at EU leaders’ procrastination in honoring the terms of a second bailout to Greece, Papandreou said the country “would not become the scapegoat for institutional problems and populism in Europe.”
The PM sought to temper his grim message with some hope. A privatization drive and plans to simplify licensing for investment in the tourism and renewable energy sectors would create growth and jobs, he said.
He also heralded the issuing of licenses for undersea oil and gas exploration in the Ionian and off the island of Crete.
Papandreou concluded by appealing to Greeks’ sense of nationalism and responsibility, appealing to business owners to pay taxes and to young Greeks not to leave. “Greece can become a different county. But this cannot happen without you,” he said.
ekathimerini.com , Sunday September 11, 2011 (23:25)
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