Message posted by secondhome on 16 May 2010 at 4:28pm - IP Logged
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secondhome
Yes that sounds exactly right doug, and also no respect!!
A Greek friend of mine was offered a job last week in a restaurant in Corfu and he was told the wage of 35euros per 12 hour day with no day off and no IKA.
Message posted by janmanessi on 16 May 2010 at 4:40pm - IP Logged
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To me its all about what is legal - how are you going to run your business Jan? Where do you draw the line once you start ignoring the law...what is the point of blaming the bloated rich and politicians who take huge bribes if you just do the same on a smaller scale?
But my question stands - is it legal?
Message posted by poulades on 16 May 2010 at 10:27pm - IP Logged
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Oh for christs sake. This site can be pedantic.. We all have the best interests of Corfu and Greece as our main concern. There is unfortunately a population on our island who through lack of interest, lack of Greek or pure ignorance or all three rarely take the time to get to the facts who merely repeat hear say or their own take on what goes on.
This is aimed at noone in particular but soem of the posts not just on this thread but others as well really mystify me.
On a seperate note. If you took a job in the UK and the employer refused to pay your tax and national insurance would it be legal??
It's the same thing! No it's not legal but openly accepted!
Message posted by J&L on 16 May 2010 at 10:53pm - IP Logged
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My point is that there are those who do pay tax and insurance - and therefore are disadvantaged themselves - but they help their employees and they help Greece. Those are the ones who we should support.
And I am really tired of people parrotting "this is Greece" as if that was an excuse for illegal/immoral behaviour. This isn't about social or cultural difference, it is about some peoples morality and some peoples livelihood. It might be what happens - but I want to choose to go to businesses where it doesnt happen.
Message posted by NIGEL on 16 May 2010 at 10:58pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by J&L on 16 May 2010
My point is that there are those who do pay tax and insurance - and therefore are disadvantaged themselves - but they help their employees and they help Greece. Those are the ones who we should support.
And i am really tired of people parrotting "this is Greece" as if that was an excuse for illegal/immoral behaviour. This isn't about social or cultural difference, it is about some peoples morality and some peoples livelihood. It might be what happens - but i want to choose to go to businesses where it doesnt happen.
Excellent reply to someone who sounds peed off for some reason, dont know why??
Message posted by poulades on 16 May 2010 at 11:31pm - IP Logged
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No certainly not peed off. There is certainly an idea of that this is Greece so there fore this how it should be.
This is wrong. Just because it openly accepted certainly doesn't make it right This practice is also fuelled by the fact that there is a large section of the community that live in Greece illegally let alone work illegally. Also the fact that there is large transient community who do not want to be in the official system..
Now this system suited all those involved whilst Greece was cheaper. Now that the cost of living has gone up but largely wages have stayed the same, people are questioning whether they should be part of the official system.
It was largely the employees who chose the so called illegal route as well and some still do as they don't want to decalre an income when they are living by large off their means in England.
Although not Greek I have been brought up in Corfu and our family business is probably one the most well known and successful "foreign" companies on the island.
We have always been in the system and have had the benefits of it but also been stitched up by jealous people for thier own gain!
My point about pedantic comments is not aimed at just this thread but there is a pattern of people point scoring without addressing the facts.
I have seen many people leave the site for this reason.
I for one will watch this thread then do the same.
Kalo sas kalokairi
Message posted by tiger79 on 16 May 2010 at 11:53pm - IP Logged
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Hang on! We're talking about Greece - probably one of the most corrupt members of the EU - and one which for years has embraced tax evasion as a national pastime. It's sad that "people are questioning whether they should be part of the official system", but the official system involves people paying tax, as is the norm in civilised countries. It might have escaped your notice, but just recently, the rest of us in the EU have been saddled with enormous debt liabilities (paid for out of the taxes which we honest citizens have to pay) in order to bail out the corrupt citizens of Greece. It's not been well-received here, and it's not over yet. Unless Greeks rapidly change their views, your country will be thrown to the global economic dogs, and you'll achieve third-world poverty levels overnight.
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