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Message posted by Graham T-A on 29 December 2004 at 7:16pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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If you enter from Italy there seem to be no checks at all. You just drive off the ferry and out of the harbour without stopping. No passport, No customs, nothing!! There is no registration of the car coming into Greece when you take this route.

You may however be stopped and asked to prove how long the car has been there for.


Message posted by Mozzy Man on 30 December 2004 at 12:04am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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Chris

Having brought three vehicles in from the UK, none of which are legal yet.

I would now always buy locally.

They will have the money from you one way or the other.

Save yourself the pain !

MM

 


Message posted by daiquiri on 30 December 2004 at 12:49am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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and how can I prove it? is there a law to keep my ferry tickets or what? do they have any means to check how long the car has been there? what kind proof can they ask for?

Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 30 December 2004 at 12:57am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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....MM..

.but what happens when you go back to england if you use one of the cars!!!you can reply to this by pm...chris <SCRIPT language=javascript>postamble();


Message posted by MartynG on 30 December 2004 at 12:11pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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Hi

With regards to moving your possessions to Greece, as Hilary states above, no documentation is required, either for the removal from Belgium or arrival in Greece.  If, however, the goods move through non-EU countries you will need to arrange a Carnet.  This is a multi-page document which specifies which non-EU contries the goods will travel through and MUST be stamped both on entry and exit from those countries.  Failure to do so will result in taxes being levied. The Carnet "guarantees" that the goods will not be sold in the country concerned. 

Now - cars - an interesting subject.  Despite what MM says above, I suspect that, as the registration tax is not VAT, there is nothing that the EU can actually do about it as it is not controlled by the Treaty of Rome, in much the same way as income tax, corporation tax, capital gains tax or any of the "environmental" taxes that we now pay, such as landfil tax or climate change levy.  Thus, how the Greeks, or any other EU member states raises or adminsters its own taxation system (even vehicle registration tax) is a matter for that counrty only  Unless it is possible to establish that VAT is being charged illegally (and have the money to take the case all the way to the EU court of Justice, the is nothing that can be done.

You should note that a car (a "New Means of Transport" as described by the EU 6th VAT Directive, which applies throughout the EU) is liable to VAT in the country of first registration.  In this context, temporary tax free registration is ignored.  Thus, it would be possible within the EU VAT legislation, to by a new car, in say Belgium (which, traditionally has some of the lowest pre-tax prices within the EU) drive it to Greece and pay tax there.  The VAT rate is 18%, but of course you would have to factor in the registration tax as well.

Martyn


Message posted by Mozzy Man on 31 December 2004 at 1:10am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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Martyn

You are of course, correct,  I just didn't want to bore people.

VAT is charged on top of  the "Registration Tax" for a new vehicle and a Corfu  MOT (chuckle chukle) is required for a pre registered vehicle + the Registration Tax.

There may be nothing the EEC can do about it,  apart from the fines they impose on Greece,  that wasn't my point,

The "Customs" authority charge a Registration Tax,   is it just me, or does that sound like a Duty Charge ?

Chris,  You can of course take your vehicle out of Greece for six months, and I've heard that you can make arrangements with the Police to take the vehicle off the road for the same period, and officialy, if you have Road Tax, MOT and Insurance cover from the original EEC Country, then you are legal.

I've never been asked to show Ferry Receipts !, but then again, the only time I've been stopped in my UK car, I was asked for my Driving Licence and Registration.   my Driving Licence wasn't a problem and I told him that I never carry my registration,   the nice Policeman asked me had I been drinking,  and I replied that of course I had ! 

This seemed to please him,   and satisfied that I wasn't an Al Kieda terrorist with an AK47 in the boot,  he let me go.

Buy Local,,,,, not because I support the local car dealers,

but because the alternative will drive you to drink,

Hic,,,,

MM


Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 31 December 2004 at 11:58am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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<SCRIPT language=javascript>postamble(); .....mm..what im trying to get at is....you have taking your car to Greece and you have over run your stay in Greece your road tax and mot has expired on the car that you have taken over, how does the law stand in each country, will you be breaking the law by entering back into england at having no road tax or mot also your insurance Will be none invalid if you have an accident while traveling (or you do not let it happen in the first place).....chris

Message posted by Graham T-A on 31 December 2004 at 12:48pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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Ah, see what you mean. Once your road rax or MOT runs out the insurance is invalid and the car would be totally illegal to use on any road anywhere. The only way to bring it back legally would be on a trailer. I don't think most people have yet realised that since the law changes last April, your insurance is invalid if you road tax tuns out. It was always invalid without the MOT.

Message posted by Mozzy Man on 01 January 2005 at 3:51am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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It's as simple as this,

If a UK registered vehiole is "En Route" to a pre booked MOT station for the purpose of establishing it's road worthiness,  is covered by the relevant Third Party Insurance, and is driven by a licenced Driver covered by the Insurance mentioned,,,   then it is legal to drive on UK roads,   be it from Calais to Inverness (If that's where the MOT appointment has been made)

Every  Insurance Policy I have ever read, state that the vehicle must be driven "Legally"

In the above situation,   Having spent six months in Corfu, you can ring up your local UK MOT Station, book a day and drive quite happily to the MOT station with no Road Tax as long as you have the minimum Third Party Insurance.

There again, you only get a Twenty Quid fine for stabbing a Girl Guide in the UK theses days !!!!

MM 


Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 01 January 2005 at 4:26pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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<SCRIPT language=javascript>postamble(); mmmm.....so i ring up the mot testing station from corfu and book in for an mot and say to them i will be thare in two days time give or take an hour or two...chris


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