What is the problem putting your EOT number on a post, if you have not got one then it is illegal to rent the property out, so what you are saying Daniel is that the site owner and admin team should condone illegal activities in PM's? If we are are fined because EOT find that someone found there accommodation through this site will you be first in the queue to pay the fine? I doubt it.
MCH
Message posted by Graham T-A on 20 September 2009 at 7:08pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Daniel&Sylvie on 20 September 2009
Quote: Originally posted by BruceAndMaria on 20 September 2009
It does say in the terms and conditions that "PM MESSAGES ARE NOT TOTALLY PRIVATE AND REMAIN LIBABLE TO PERIODIC SCRUTINY"
But is it EOT scrutinising private messages?
Otherwise there is no reason to have condition 10 apply to PM's also.
You could of course be sending your PM to someone from the EOT who was trying to catch you out and find where your illegal rental property is.
Message posted by windmill on 20 September 2009 at 8:20pm - IP Logged
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Technically it is illegal to rent properties to tourists without EOT license. However, it is questionable if listing such properties on a website is an illegal act in itself.
But even if that was the case, it would be overstated to say an owner of a forum is condoning illegal activities when members are exchanging internet links concerning rental villa's in private messages.
The topic that was removed two days ago, did not mention any particular property. In fact, there was not even mentioning of renting out property. There was also no specific property mentioned in related PM's. Therefore there was no reason whatsoever to mention EOT license numbers in the topic or the PM's.
Yet the topic was removed without notifying the author or respondees of a reason. They can only assume the subsequent topic on terms & conditions was related.
For the record, I personally do not own a rental villa and I have no interest in advertising rental villas.
I did however send PM's with links to villa owners websites, on the request of other forum members. Nothing in the terms & conditions forbids that. However, should that become proven to be an illegal activity, then I'm prepared to bear all related consequences, including those for the owner of this forum. With this commitment from my side, there should be no obstacle to reinstating the subject topic.
I strongly support having terms and conditions. Members must know what is allowed and what is not, and be held to that. However, the rules must be applied objectively, especially when a topic seems in competition with the commercial objectives of the owner of the forum.
Admins should excercise their authority carefully.
Removing topics without explanation, and blocking or removing open discussion of such (as happened yesterday) harms the forum's reputation as an open platform for the exchange of information.
I sincerely hope that won't happen to this post.
Message posted by MCH on 20 September 2009 at 10:57pm - IP Logged
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There is also rule 9
9. The advertising of any Estate Agency, Building Company or subsidiary companies or organisations is against the concept of these Forums, and is prohibited.
MCH
Message posted by elizajay (Moderator) on 20 September 2009 at 11:24pm - IP Logged
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Obviously the way this thread is going....it will run on and on.
Sometimes I do wonder if some of the Admin members who post under the generic Admin username, give any thought ot the tone of their posts? The people posting on here are adults, and would be unused to be spoken to such a manner e.g. 'you cant do that. end of story'.
Having managed many staff in a large government department for 20 odd years, I must say that if I explained procedures in that fashion there would be mass walk outs.
Sometimes a simple explanation of the legal facts rather than the very defensive retorts which seem to be springing from some ADMIN would calm the situation, rather than necessitating locked topics, which goes on to cause further dissent. (this does not generalise the admin staff, many are totally expert at their jobs and could calm any situation!!)
No disrespect meant by this post....but in my experience, the aggressive and defensive attitude used by ADMIN in this and the previous locked post only serves to cause more aggro.
Message posted by NIGEL on 20 September 2009 at 11:39pm - IP Logged
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Daniel, it is not questionable that listing properties who do not have an EOT is an illegal act. Ask a Greek solicitor who will confirm this to you. Most other forum sites are not based in Greece so do not come under Greek law but this one does.
Message posted by Agni on 29 September 2009 at 10:36am - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by artisans on 19 September 2009
We all agree to accept Terms & Conditions when contributing to websites & forums and it is important that we so do. Without a formal structure and code of conduct, any site would quickly descend into chaos. When a number of contributors question an issue, however, is it not incumbent upon the administrators to at least consider whether or not that condition needs reviewing in order that the site may grow and adapt to changing opinions?
Steve
Thanks Steve for your concern. It would appear that one or two of the posting Terms and Conditions remain unclear to some members so I am currently modifying them. I hope this will make it much clearer to members concerning the posts that cannot be permitted due to the legal implications.
Agni
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