If parents cant control there little darlings, they should be thrown out, why should the minority spoil other peoples night out, we recently returned on a flight where a kid was screaming and the so called parents just sat there with there earphones in.
Message posted by diane and steve on 28 June 2009 at 10:22pm - IP Logged
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I love to see families in restaurants but I do find it very obvious when we go away thet it is generally the kids from the UK that are the most badly behaved. The kids from the med seem to be 'part of the group' and not ignored and let to run riot.
When my son was young, he came everywhere with me.
I was armed with a few bits of lego, a reading book and a bit of paper to draw on. I never let him out of my sight and made it as entertaining as possible as it was a treat for him too.
The probelm I see is that many people take their kids on holiday, but dont want to holiday with their kids! they seem to think that they can amuse themselves and they cant-they need to be entertained somewhat and also it is a learning process.
kKds are the future diners when they grow up and need to be taught how to act in all situations by their parents as their role models.
Perhaps thats why some young adults now are more badly behaved than the kids!!
Message posted by BoltonLynda on 28 June 2009 at 10:23pm - IP Logged
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I too have kids (both now grown up - allegedly lol)
I know I will have to duck beneath the parapets for this one - but I HATE being irritated by other peoples kids - running round, knocking drinks off tables, screaming cos they can't get their own way and generally behaving in a way that is unacceptable. If you can't keep your kids under control (whether its in a restaurant, bar or shop) then don't bring them out with you. I work in a shop and I am sick to death of having to climb over kids because their parents can't be bothered to look after them and just leave them to their own devices!
Off to find my tin hat xxxx
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Quote: Originally posted by SteSan on 28 June 2009
I'm 47 now but still respect my Dad for keeping me under control when younger, either with his slipper or back of his hand!!!
Made me a good respectable Teenager and parent.
This is whats missing nowadays....RESPECT
My 2 are 17 and 23 and still know are far to go
Steve, hav fun in te sun all
I would never raise my hand to my boy, not now hes three or when hes twenty three,i learnt respect at a young age through boxing and being around trainers who commanded respect, im sorry to the people who dont agree but hitting kids is a definate no no, its not respect parents get when they hit their kids, its fear of being hit again, theres a difference..........
Message posted by windmill on 28 June 2009 at 10:46pm - IP Logged
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Wow, this has brought some response. firstly, Greeks and most other European folks love to go out and take all the family to eat, no matter what time of the evening. The problem with many of our children is not just the parents, it's our lifestyle which creates a barrier between the generations. If you do find a problem with children in restaurants in Greece, invariably they will be British. Sad but true from my experience.
Message posted by SteSan on 28 June 2009 at 11:14pm - IP Logged
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I would never raise my hand to my boy, not now hes three or when hes twenty three,i learnt respect at a young age through boxing and being around trainers who commanded respect, im sorry to the people who dont agree but hitting kids is a definate no no, its not respect parents get when they hit their kids, its fear of being hit again, theres a difference..........
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Jimmy I never said I hit my 2, never had to,a stern voice was enough, but we bought them up the right way, but in the 60's and 70's things were different,and thats what I respect my father for,even the local bobby would clip yer ear ( and he scared yer ) Imagine that happening now with this Esther Ranzen child line.
Theres a difference between a slap leg or bottom and Abuse!!
The size of my son now, I would think twice about hitting him hehe.
steve
Message posted by DJH on 28 June 2009 at 11:42pm - IP Logged
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I think some of the problem stems from the fact that many families in Britain do not normally sit down at a table for a meal altogether. Hence many children are not used to it and have not developed the social skills and etiquette that other cultures still value and teach.
It is sad reflection on the way our society is developing.
Debbie
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oooooh! a touchy subject, this one! I agree with those who say that children should be taught manners! I know it'll give my age away but I was bought up in the 'children are seen but not heared' era, I knew when I was out with my parents I was expected to behave well. These days, some parents seem to think its perfectly acceptable to inflict their unruly offspring on the public and not give two hoots what they get up to or who they are disturbing. We all pay good money to go out to nice places and should all have the same right to enjoy them, regardless of age. Unfortunately, I dont think its just a 'child' issue, my husband and I were at our nieces wedding reception the other night and it was the adults causing the problems, too much beer and not enough sense. Each grown man trying to outdo the other in volume, the real problem as I see it is that on the whole, some Brits just dont know how to behave in public or how to drink responsibly! No wonder the kids run riot! Im generalising of course, I know the majority are well behaved, socially balanced individuals but as in everything, there are always exceptions and they tend to get noticed unfortunately. (thus giving us the reputation we enjoy worldwide!) I'll get down off me soapbox now and go back to counting the minutes to my jollibobs!!!!!!!! Im really looking forward to it, other folks kids permitting! LOL!
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Oooer, are we really challenging the right of kids to do whatver they want !!
Interesting how the "respect" viewpoints seem to come from those who have already brought kids up. Our son when he was a kid would not be allowed to run riot in a restaurant because we thought it was rude and bad mannered to our fellow diners.
We still think so.
However times have changed and kids just push the barriers of acceptable behaviour in public places further and further whilst many parents just let them.
To say "if you don't like noisy kids eat somewhere else" only gets the retort, "if you don't like us complaining about noisy kids then you eat somewhere else".
Then what? An argument, a fight, call the management (what can they do?) or perhaps a compromise.
Mmmmm dunno about that we all like to get our own way these days...
So what exactly are "bad manners" and what was this "respect for your elders" culture and why?
Throughout the history of the world, old age has most often been equated with wisdom, honor, integrity and esteem and I see this frequently in Corfu. Today in the UK we seem to live in a bubble of youth and celebrity worship and old is most definitely out.
This topic is not about age though but common decency
Our son is old.
He's 23 so he's older than many but younger than others.
So what is old ?
If he was having a nice quiet meal with his girlfriend in his favourite Italian and kids spoilt it by running riot he would ask the parents to control them.
If they didn't he would then tell the parents in no uncertain terms.
Is he old fashioned or simply expecting to be able to enjoy a meal he has worked hard to earn the money for.
Steve
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