Hi Ellenjay - yes it's the view over Kalami - we rented a villa up on the main road just next to Dimitris Taverna. The avatar is the view from the back of the villa. Perhaps unsurprisingly we just gawped when we got there!
To try and keep on thread - I think the airlines should try and come up with a weighing system for passengers, particularly as the price of fuel is rising. Sorry to be harsh, but the majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much, not because they have medical problems. And before anyone asks - no I'm not a stick insect, just somebody who puts on weight if I eat too much and loses weight when I diet!!!
Message posted by kassi on 21 August 2008 at 12:36pm - IP Logged
I did say previously that I dont know how it would be done, but we've all seen extremely large people on planes in seemingly increasing numbers. Airlines are now taking quite extreme measures to cut down on weight including stocking up less alcohol for early day time flights etc. It just makes you wonder if they will eventually have to instigate something even it's its health and safety - i.e. how do they calculate enough fuel etc?
Message posted by kassi on 21 August 2008 at 12:54pm - IP Logged
Not disputing it is a problem Mary - just got a picture in my head of the chaos at the airport. God help the poor check in staff who had to break the news that there was an excess charge! Wonder if it would be same charge as excess luggage?
As for less alcohol on flights - personally I feel no alcohol should be served on any flights. Full stop. The antics of the few spoiling it for the rest of us - again. However, I don't see that taking less alcohol will have much effect on weight, as there would still have to be sufficient soft drinks provided.
I have a son who works as a despatcher (and has to work out weight and balance) and have talked to him about the weight issue, and how they calculate fuel, and even he can't explain it properly. Says they use an average (which average was worked out in about 1950 (?) when average weights were a lot less than they are now)
Or maybe they have hidden scales just in front of the check in desks, which we can't see??? :-)
Message posted by marymouse on 21 August 2008 at 1:00pm - IP Logged
Kassi - I agree with you! It's nice to have a drink on the plane, but considering the amount of problems it can cause I dont know why they dont stop - although I suppose it comes back to making money. I dont in all honesty think the weight thing is doable - it would cause too much distruption - unless people were pre warned when they booked the tickets!
Message posted by Davey-Boy on 21 August 2008 at 2:50pm - IP Logged
The Check-In Lady in Kefalonia the other week was very strict. We'd already pre-paid for 5 extra kilos back in the UK but she made us put everything on the scales including Gill's handbag, a little leather travel bag and my little top. We were well in but then went through to Duty Free and picked up 4 litres of Ouzo, two litres of Brandy, thre litres of wine, a few sleeves of fags, (more) perfume and several bags of sweets so what's the real point? And like someone said earlier about passenger's weights : I'm 16 stone but get the same standard allowance as somebody who's only 12 stone !
Soap-box away now
Message posted by seaangler (Chat Room Administrator) on 21 August 2008 at 2:53pm - IP Logged
Just found this bit of news that you will find interesting to read..Bit late for me now to complane ...But as follows.....From The TimesAugust 14, 2008
Fat flyers - issue that’s just too heavy to tackle
A surcharges on larger travellers would be more effective then losing a few extras Helen Nugent: Commentary
It’s not politically correct, could lead to legal action and is unlikely to be admitted publicly, but airlines would like to weigh their passengers.
((((Telling customers that they are “too fat to fly” and imposing surcharges on larger travellers would do far more to reduce fuel consumption than removing a few earplugs and paper cups. Airlines believe, however, that such a policy would provoke a furious backlash.)))
Levels of obesity have trebled in the past 20 years and airlines often receive complaints from passengers who have been squashed by fat neighbours.
Six years ago Virgin Atlantic was forced to pay £13,000 compensation to Barbara Hewson after she was crushed by a female passenger on a flight from London to Los Angeles.
Weight-watching airlines shave off pounds
The 23-stone American woman was so large that she could fit into the seat only with the armrest raised. Ms Hewson was outraged to find that the woman’s husband had asked not to sit with his wife.
Message posted by marymouse on 21 August 2008 at 3:02pm - IP Logged
The international "average" weight per passenger used to be somewhere around 11.5/12 stones. I believe that this has been revised upwards, to something like13.5/14 stones. But a ircraft take off wieght is much more complicated as it must take into account freight, luggage, fuel load and the atmosperical conditions (including wind strenght and direction).
It's not unknown for a flight crew to calculate the required fuel load (and have it pumped aboard) only to have the wind change direction. This might then mean that, on the opposite runway direction, it might not be possible to maintain the correct terrain clearance due to rising ground etc, with the result that weight must be lost, otherwise the aircraft cannot take off. It might also be that the wind strength is much less than predicted or the air become much more humis (which will affect both the amount of lift available and the power available from the engines).
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