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Message posted by Guest on 19 August 2007 at 8:56pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
Guest

whatever we do in the west. china and india will quardruple what we save  according to the media ,

i would like to make a bet with william hill that in 2099 the ice age will be back .................... any comments

 

and is it media hype anyway who knows ..


Message posted by John and Hilary on 19 August 2007 at 9:32pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
John and Hilary
Corfu

Then the best place in the world to live will be Stockport , nodoubt ?

J&H


Message posted by DAVID1 on 19 August 2007 at 9:34pm - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
DAVID1

The trouble is - in 2099 we wouldn't be able to pick up the winnings!!!!!!!!!!

David


Message posted by bluemoonuk on 20 August 2007 at 1:06am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
bluemoonuk
Corfu

Air travel accounts for only about 3.5 percent of the human contribution to global warming, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Plant a tree it won’t help to reduce the carbon but it will make you feel alot better 


Message posted by Gareth H on 20 August 2007 at 1:13am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
Gareth H
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Global warming is not to blame for all our current ills. It is a convenient scapegoat. Greed and selfishness are the real problems. 'Global warming' lets governments and corporates off the hook because they can transform themselves into the good guys by claiming to be committed to sustainability and green issues and doing something about it, when in reality (global warming aside, as it is not proven) they are the culprits for most of our ills.

As someone else has already remarked global weather patterns are cyclical and operate over timescales that are way beyond our lifespan. Last Tuesday, I visited somewhere I hadn't been for over 20 years and it bore little resemblance to the place I remembered. All the changes were due to human intervention; natural environmental change was not so readily evident. Would I have recognised the place at all if I had returned after 100, 1,000 or 10,000 years? 

Carbon neutrality is a myth and amounts to little more than cynical marketing. My company has a turnover of £90 million and we could buy a carbon neutral status for less than £10K. This is an insignificant amount to us but a substantial figure to the promoter. We will not be pursuing this.

I regularly come across competitor companies who make unsustainable 'sustainability' claims. Recently, we came across a rival who indicated they had certification for using timber only from renewable resources and used a reference number and logo on a tender submission to substantiate this. The logo and reference number turned out to be for the paper the document was written on!

Mutinational companies use certificates for their American facilities to validate their environmental credentials when their standards are lower than European requirements. (Who was it that did not sign up to the Kyoto protocols?) Recently, one of our major competitors (an American company) had the audacity to ask us to undertake some of their environmental commitments after beating us on a large contract with an existing customer of ours!! The clients reaction was interesting when we pointed this out!

My apologies if all that was rather heavy, but at least it wasn't gleaned from a TV programme!

To end on a lighter note. We had a meeting recently to discuss what we could legitimately do on the environmental front that was a worthwhile contribution to the future of the planet. Given the impact that cows and methane emissions allegedly have, I suggested that for every 100 chairs we sold, we should shoot a cow!

 

 

 



              

Message posted by nuffstrong on 20 August 2007 at 3:00am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
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Interesting post Gareth and clearly well informed. I personally was surprised to read that aircraft emissions on international flights are not even included in the  Kyoto Treaty at present, see Friends of the Earth below

Paul de Zylva, aviation campaigner at Friends of the Earth said:

"The UK's reputation for action on dangerous climate change will be dealt a hammer blow if Ministers go ahead with their airport expansion plans. To make up for the dramatic increase in climate changing gases from civil aviation, British businesses and householders will have to cut their energy use and pollution even more.

"The aviation industry pays no tax on the fuel it uses and is now the fastest growing cause of climate change. Why should the rest of British business and society have to pay the penalty, just so that airlines and airports can continue to grow while ignoring their environmental responsibilities? This is part of the price of Ministers' plane crazy obsession with airport expansion. Rather than add to the problem, the Government should act to ensure that the aviation industry faces up to climate change and the other problems it causes

Steve


Message posted by J&L on 20 August 2007 at 9:25am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
J&L
Corfu



"Unfortunately, I think I would sooner believe what I saw in a TV documentary over anything the vast majority of politicians ever told me."

We might perhaps be better off trying to understand the scientists who actually study the issues involved. As far as i can read the vast majority now believe that climate change is happening at a far faster rate than any of the "normal" swings of the past which happened over thousands of years not within a lifetime....

If there is even a reasonable chance that this is due to human activity surely we owe it to our children to try and stop/reverse the process - or are we as selfish and stupid as those who throw lit cigarettes out of a window on a tinder dry island? The actions recommended to try and slow global warming may be painful in our greedy world - but at least we can understand them as generally beneficial even if global warming is not happening...

Of course the Chinese and Brazilians and Indians want to play "catch-up" and who can blame them - but are you aware of the vast efforts being made in India to establish solar energy...........or of the sudden debate in China that "something must be done" post their flooding....

It is facile to talk about enjoying a good summer - if the gulf stream shifts because of changing sea temperature the UK could resemble Siberia rather than the South of France...............Meanwhile as the equator heats up the Sahara could increase its march to include Corfu....

There are some easy steps we could take as individuals but then we all feel bad because other people continue consuming away.....ultimately it is down to governments to get the courage to impose controls on all of us...personally i do not envy politicians their task...

J&L


Message posted by lily's gran on 20 August 2007 at 10:51am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
lily's gran
Corfu
I do worry about the future.....being a gran really makes one think about what we are doing that will affect generations to come! So I've bought a very small car instead of my big 2 litre job and I'm going to retire so no more long journeys to Sunderland from Amble. On the personal side I will pay less road tax, less insurance,have a clearer conscience but be much poorer financially but richer in time!

Message posted by J&L on 20 August 2007 at 11:41am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
J&L
Corfu

well said and done gran - it really is Lily and Charlie we need to think about

J&L


Message posted by Lawrence on 20 August 2007 at 11:51am - IP Logged Legal Disclaimer Corfu Photos
Lawrence
Isn't it possible to "buy off" your carbon footprint, for air travel.i.e. your contribution will go towards offsetting this "polution"




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