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Forum Name: Agios (Saint) Stephanos
Forum Discription: (Including Kerasia) St Stephanos is a very pretty village around a small fishing harbour. Waterfront tavernas dot the quayside. Nearby Kerasia beach offers excellent swimming.
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Topic: Changes Or Not We'll Have To See
Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Subject: Changes Or Not We'll Have To See
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 8:40am
Well, that's got your attention.
All the shore front tavernas and bars have been given notice to remove all their jetties as well as all their permanent buildings that are now on what was once beach. Thereby returning the beach to the 15 meters clearance above high water.
But, of course there's a BUT.
Or pay a huge fine.
I wonder if this directive applies to all other resorts?
We await developments with interest.
This idea was trundled about last year, with just a couple of tavernas and a bar mentioned, but this year its got a bit heavier and includes all beachfront properties.
Bob

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Posted By: Elliemay
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 9:43am
What a load of twaddle. Where do they expect the boats to moor that bring business to the resort???

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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 12:35pm
This one has been rolling around for a while, if I remember correctly.
 
The argument goes along the lines that all of the buildings are illegal, since they are too close to the waters edge (I can't remember what the allowable distance is).  However, since the local council charges a licence fee (no doubt, substantial) to allow these businesses to operate as they do, then the licence fees are, equally, illegal.
 
So, if fines are levied (on the basis that much of the business will not exist if the setting is destroyed) surely the businesses can demand repayment of the licence fees?
 
Sound like fund raising by the council to me!
 
Martyn


Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 4:20pm
Martyn, I understand its the government this time, I'll have a heart to heart tomorrow with Costa when we see him.
Bob.

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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 5:46pm
OK - so fund raising by the Government!
 
Pass on our regards to all
 
Martyn


Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 6:38pm
Is fund raising the same as blackmail?
Bob

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Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 10:25am
We'll be interested to hear what Costa has to say. That would surely take a lot of the heart out of the village. It's been one of the attractions for us over the last 15 years or so. We know there's a fair bit of space in the for-real buildings, but not quite the same. More news please!
Yammas, David


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 10:30am
Bob
 
The simple answer is yes (esp when Governments are involved)
 
Martyn


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 10:31am
David
 
I think that you are right about it ripping the heart out of the village.  That said, I do remember it before all any of the awnings etc were errected.
 
Martyn


Posted By: Corfu Dreamer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 2:34pm
Good grief. That would change the nature of the village entirely. Much of the charm of Ag Steph is eating on the edge of the sea and watching the yachts coming in and boats mooring on the jetties. I imagine that economically the tourist trade here with its upmarket villas and more expensive tavernas contributes a significant proportion of the island's income. Should the village be changed that trade would go elsewhere. It may be the council or government raising money in the short term but in the longer term the potential is for much more money to be lost. How shortsighted. 

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Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 11:07am
Agreed, Corfu Dreamer. We haven't been coming as long as you, Martyn, but we have seen pictures. It's one of the things we fell in love with when we first arrived in the village some years ago, coming over the top of the hill in the dark, seeing the little ring of lights and then eating at the water's edge. We haven't found anywhere finer in Corfu. We might have to re-think if this happens - we've been saying for years that we ought to look at different islands / countries for our autumn holiday but haven't been able to give up Ag Steph so far.
We'll keep watching this space.
Yammas, David


Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 11:26am
This is what I have been told.
What is happening all over Greece is a direct result of a decision made by the EU some years ago, because Greece sort of did'nt comply when they should have, a massive fine was imposed.
Each of the tavernas/bars that contravene the regulation individually face fines ranging upwards from 20,000euros depending on their size.
They must also remove all the offending jetties and permanent structures deemed illegal on the beach.
There is confusion as to how far from the sea they must be. Some say 15metres (the old public right of way) others are quoting 30metres.
They will be allowed to erect umbrellas in place of their present structures, but they must all be the same colour specified by the authorities, without any writing or advertising. The colour for San Stephanos has not been decided yet. No mention was made as to what seats- tables-tablecloths could be used, I wonder if they must all be the same as well, all along the beach.
Tavernas will be allowed to provide floating pontoons reached by some sort of gangplank, however, this arrangement is complicated by how these will be used and regulated. It seems that the boat hirers will not be allowed to provide pontoons or jetties. So I can't imagine how they will survive. I suspect its going to be a bit of a scrum for all concerned.
Who is going to remove the little fishermans jetties I wonder, and then what?

Now, what has happened so far is that Damiano has removed his jetty, and also taken a chainsaw to his structure and sent it off on a lorry.
I couldn't see if the Wave Bar jetty was also removed, but heard it was planned to do so.

As you can imagine its all doom and gloom.

This regulation also applies all over Greece, so Agni, Kalami, Kerassia are all directly affected.

Martyn, I wonder how Babis at Spartahori will manage, what about the long jetty at Kalamaki, without that its impossible for caiquies to land their passengers for the beach BBQ.

Might be worth setting up a floating pontoon manufacturing company.

Bob


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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 12:00pm
Thanks, Bob
 
Truely scary.
 
The "structure" at Spartahori is, of course, a floating pontoon.
 
This is going to destroy (or seriously hamper) a number of businesses for a variety of reasons.  I guess the only boat hire company in Stephanos which might be able to operate is Yannis - at least he has access to a harbour wall!
 
I'm also having sudden concerns about our May sailing holiday - certain members of my crew will have trouble getting ashore by dinghy, which is going to remove a number of destinations from the intinery.  In fact, if the flights hadn't already been booked, I might be tempted to cancel.
 
Not sure what the "regulation" in question is, but presumaby this has something to do with the dreaded "health 'n' safety.
 
I do so hate the EU.
 
Martyn


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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2013 at 4:39pm
I imagine, like many of the rules sent down from Brussels, it was aimed at an entirely different problem, but ends up doing more harm than good somewhere else.
As we plan to be out there in time for Easter next year, I will give you the latest info then. You'll just have to remind me, you know how forgetful I am.
Bob

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Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 9:40am
Look forward to hearing at Easter, Bob, as we plan our autumn trip (or not).
As for BBQs at Kalamaki, I guess they won't be able to have their caique and eat it!
Yammas, David


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:46am
David, I think it's time for you to collect your coat!Smile
Martyn


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:48am
I'm now considering making a quick trip in April, to see how things are likely to work out.
 
Well, that's my excuse, anyway!
 
Martyn


Posted By: Corfu Dreamer
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 2:10pm
I wonder what other villages are experiencing. Can you imagine this happening at Agni? It would be decimated. Those three tavernas have thriving businesses and there is nothing else there. Very worrying.
We too are planning on coming over again at Easter, bringing friends to show them the places that we love - although realising that they are very different out of season. We shall bring a camera and post some photos.


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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 4:34pm
We are here for another couple of weeks, so any fresh developments will be posted here.
Obviously, all that I am told is not necessarily gospel. So take on board that I am repeating hearsay.
However, what I actually see with my own eyes is another matter.
And yes my understanding us that it includes all places on beach fronts.
I wonder if all those posh Italian and French Reviera hotels with their private bit of beach will also have to conform with all their umbrellas identical?
Going down to Kaparelli tonight, it's Costas' last night. I'll see if anything else has happened.
Bob

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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 5:53pm
I understand that The Wave Bar has also removed its jetty.
 
Love to Costas and everyone.
 
Martyn


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by Corfu Dreamer Corfu Dreamer wrote:

I wonder what other villages are experiencing. Can you imagine this happening at Agni? It would be decimated. Those three tavernas have thriving businesses and there is nothing else there. Very worrying.
We too are planning on coming over again at Easter, bringing friends to show them the places that we love - although realising that they are very different out of season. We shall bring a camera and post some photos.
You make an interesting point - I wonder how things would have developed had this happened a few years ago, when the only access to Agni was by boat?
Martyn


Posted By: sue avrio
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:21pm
Most of the taverna owners remove their jetty for the wintertime as they tend to suffer in the storms. Lets hope people are just being cautious.

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Posted By: Elliemay
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:25pm
Let's just hope that the idiots in power see sense and that it would ruin the tavernas in Ag. Steph if all these demands come to fruition. Never mind the rest of the resorts if they come under the same jurisdiction. What are they playing at? Do they totally want to ruin the tourist trade as this seems to be the ultimate result. Cry

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Posted By: Ellenjay
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:37pm
Is this rule because  beaches are supposed to be public?
If so they could target places where access has been made difficult because of villas being built so that the beach effectively becomes private.


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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2013 at 8:53am
Sue Avrio. Unfortunately they are not just removing the top of the jetty but also pulling out the posts, not sure what can be done about the concrete bits.
Martyn, you are correct, the Wave Bar jetty is no more.
Anyone visiting San Stephanos now (apparently CV have guests coming out next week) will only be able to eat out in Galini, Nicko is the last man standing so to speak, Costa closed last night.
Bob.

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Posted By: sue avrio
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2013 at 12:20pm
That is not good Bob. We left Kalami on Wednesday this week and they were still intact. It would be devastating to trade if this happened - lets hope common sense prevails.

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Posted By: R&H
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 6:51pm
Why does it seem that only San Stephanos is affected or has been targeted? I can not find any threads on the web relating to the fines or removal of structures for any other village/resort in Corfu or for that matter anywhere else in the EC.

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 7:05pm
I don't know, however 3 of the S/S proproprietors assure me the rest of the area has had the same notice.
Its early days yet, not much normally happens until the spring.
Bob

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2013 at 4:33pm
We leave for home tomorrow, the latest update that I have is that Wave Bar has indeed removed their jetty, and has now sold off all their outside furniture, a well as selling their outside cover awning and frame.
Bob.

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Posted By: Michael Jacques
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2013 at 12:59pm
There are some photographs of Agios Stephanos taken in 1980 here:
www.agni.gr/gallery/show_gallery.asp?gallery=33101

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Posted By: Elliemay
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2013 at 1:23pm
Here's a clickable link.
http://www.agni.gr/gallery/show_gallery.asp?gallery=33101" rel="nofollow - http://www.agni.gr/gallery/show_gallery.asp?gallery=33101


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Posted By: Alecko
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2013 at 2:27am
Thanks for that link to your old photos Michael and to Elliemay for making it clickable.I remember well those days at San Stephanos and Agni as my first holiday there was in 1979 staying at Imerolia, Kassiopi. Have been back every year since, if we make it next year it will be our 35th. anniversary. I have got some good photos of eating on the beach at San Stefano on a day trip with Captain Spiros on his caique Margareta. Did you know Capt. Spiros Michael?, he was the father of Dimitri and Thomas from Kalami. He died too young.

Alec.


Posted By: BruceAndMaria
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2013 at 12:13pm
I hope this rule applies to the concrete jetties with steps and handrails that these private villa owners have erected for their own personal use and then ask anybody who ties up there to move on because it's private..My greek friend did just that to show me what would happen and when ask to move on he replied "Will you phone the police or shall I" not a word was said by the villa owner..we fished for half an hour then moved on.
Bruce 

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Posted By: Maxi Peps
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2013 at 8:02pm
I remember Captain Spiro, we went on many a boat trip with him and his dog Billy, he made me drink some Retsina horrible.    

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2013 at 4:46pm
Now here's a coincidence, on our drive home from Corfu, as many know we stop off in Switzerland and then France where we stop for a couple of days with friends.
This year while in France, we were invited to share an evening with some local people who enjoy Greek traditional dancing,(my passion as some may know). One of the ladies there had just returned from her house somewhere in the south of the Peleponese, she told us about the anger along her nearest coast, where they have been summoned to the local police station to sign for a letter notifying them of their fine for installing illegal jetties and structures on the beaches.
So it would appear not to be exclusive to Corfu.
Bob.

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 9:15pm
I've just had Costa from Kapareli Taverna on the phone to me giving me what information he has.
He said that he has paid his fine, and intends to keep his jetty and outside seating until ordered not to. So it would seem that all is much the same for this year at least.
No doubt Wave Bar and Damianos outside space will just be different to previouse years.
Bob.

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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 10:20am
Damn - there goes my excuse for a vist in April!  Shhhh - don't tell Lynn about the jetty not goingWink
 
 
I have heard a version of why this happened, but it would be impolitic to discuss it on the boards.
 
Martyn


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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2014 at 11:42am
Bob
 
Flights booked 10th - 12th April, so we'll see what has developed!
 
See you there?
 
Martyn


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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2014 at 4:33pm
We'll meet up for a meal one evening, I guess you are there for 2 nights, you choose.
Bob.

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Posted By: Hazel
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 11:37am
Hi Everyone,
What's the latest on this situation now that the season is underway?

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 5:51am
Sitting here at Kapareli watching the world go by, as you do.
The situation is much as I left it in November, the three main tavern jetties are still in place as is Eucalyptus. The three boat hire jetties are intact also.
Just The Wave and Damianos Bars' jetties and outside awning have gone. There are now large umbrellas in their places.
Damianos outside awning is now located at Harry's Boatyard giving him invaluable cover for working on the boats in the winter months. (Waste not want not )
Bob.

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Posted By: Hazel
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 10:24am
Thanks for the update Bob. Which jetty is the Agni boat using?

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 11:01am
No Idea, they can use any that's vacant. It won't be a regular one.
Bob

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Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2014 at 11:53am
I've just printed out our boarding passes for the end of the month and excitement in the Burton household is increasing in the build up to our regular annual Ag Steph trip! But I can't quite believe how quiet these forums have been this year - why is this? I am assuming that scarcity of posts means that nothing much has changed in the village, which is a good thing, but surely there must be the odd story or two. Anyway, can't wait to get there and see for ourselves.
Yammas, David


Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2014 at 5:59pm
David, ask the Kapareli team if we are in the village, if so, come and say hello.
Bob.

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Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2014 at 6:58pm
Ah, Kaparelli. Generally our first stop, and, if I can manage it, a stifado and a baklava. Getting (even more) excited.
Yammas, David


Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 9:37am
Well, yes, we were there, and, yes, nothing much has changed, apart from the aforementioned umbrellas replacing the awnings at the two bars (these were collapsed on the one day of rain we had in an otherwise warm and sunny week). We did sense that Kaparelli and Galini were less bothered about hustling for land or sea trade than they used to be, leaving that to To Fagopotion. There was a bit of clearance going on on a site just around the harbour edge, but otherwise, new building work didn't appear to have progressed much since last year.
Yes, life in Agios Stephanos just pootles on gently, and all to the good. Looking forward to next year now.
Yammas, David


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 1:49pm

Hi David

Yep - that just about sums it up

Will be running my tape measure over the village for the last time this season next week.

Martyn


Posted By: d11burton
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 7:42pm
Hi Martyn
I assume there is still a week or two before they all shut up shop and it looks like weather is pretty good still. Hope all gets wrapped up and put away neatly until the new season. We (sadly) only get there for a week in autumn, but I'm seriously thinking a spring trip might be a good idea too, otherwise I'm restricted to the village view permanently on my computer screen and the occasional visit to these message boards (which have been less active this year I feel).
Love to all in A.S.
Yammas, David


Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 7:00pm
Only 21 days now before we can have a run down to SS and check out all the winter changes if any.
There was a recent thread on the" Corfu Forum" relating to the compulsory removal of jetties a little while age. Quite a bit of ranting as you can imagine.
I'm sure to get all the info from Costa when we get there.
Bob.

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Posted By: werangels
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2015 at 12:04am
It is also on Agni tavernas Facebook page

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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 9:06am
Needless to say, the jetties are still in place for this season, but it sounds as if their days are numbered, we'll see.
About the only major change this season seems to be a new boat hire business.
Sotiris, son of Costas (San Stephanos Boats) has started up on his own and based at the Wave Bar as far as I can see.
All seems well with the village.
Bob.

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Posted By: DaGreek
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 10:44pm
Thanks for the information Bob. Thought they might get away with the jetties as they are only small, and perhaps a deal could be done by spreading the costs. Do you think they will all go eventually? Be a bit of a problem for the sailing clubs when they arrive en-mass and want to park up together. Yes I know park up isn't the correct term but it suits a landlubber like me.

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Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by DaGreek DaGreek wrote:

Thanks for the information Bob. Thought they might get away with the jetties as they are only small, and perhaps a deal could be done by spreading the costs. Do you think they will all go eventually? Be a bit of a problem for the sailing clubs when they arrive en-mass and want to park up together. Yes I know park up isn't the correct term but it suits a landlubber like me.


"Park up" is fine by me

Martyn

BTW - I didn't here anything about the jetties when I was there last week.


Posted By: MartynG
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2015 at 7:16pm

Forgot to mention this earlier - Damianos Bar has changed!

The bar area (inside) has had a serious revamp - it's now all pale wood and white walls (much like the bit nearer the road).

Much refreshed and modern - but still the same Damianos!

Martyn


Posted By: Corfu 1976
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2015 at 8:41pm
Hi Bob,
Wondering if you can help. I am looking for accommodation for next year in Agios Stephanos. We stayed there this year in Renoula and loved the village. There is a villa across the road from Renoula with an infinity pool and its within walking distance of Agios Stephanos, don't suppose you would know the name of it or of any villa with a pool within a short walk of the village. We dont hire a car and the 19-20 minute walk from most of the villas is too long for us. Hope the jetties are still there next year, we loved Agios Stephanos. Much appreciate any help you can give. Thank you. Annemarie


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Posted By: Bob and Wendy
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2015 at 10:46am
Can you tell me where Renoula is exactly, although we visit the village a couple of times a week, we don't stay there and have no knowledge of the villas.
If I have an idea where you are looking I can have a look next time we are down there.

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Posted By: Corfu 1976
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2015 at 11:50am
Thanks Bob, you are very kind.  Renoula is at the end of the village on the right past Cocheli Taverna.  The villas I was looking at are on the hill behind Cocheli but don't worry I just thought you might know them as you are so familiar with the area.  I don't want you to go to any trouble, you enjoy your time in Corfu, I am envious especially looking out at the damp cold weather here in Dublin today!  I will sort out something, thank you for offering, much appreciated.


Posted By: holhil
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2015 at 3:06pm
Google for Corfu, Agios Stefanos, Villa Foula, Villa Magda - you should get a link from that. The same lady owns both and both have infinity pools.
We stayed at Villa Foula two/three years ago and my mum loved watching all of the traffic on both road and water. I know that the villas have been refurbished since then.
Good position and there is a short cut down the hill, up the hill is better by road as the hill is quite steep. You will need a torch at night.
I hope this helps.

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Posted By: Corfu 1976
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2015 at 3:20pm
Hi Michelle, 
Thats terrific, thanks so much for the advice, I will google them now.
Annemarie


Posted By: Lins
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2015 at 1:25pm
Hi there.

We stayed at Villa Haroula which is literally a two minute flat walk from the front. The only downside to that is that you don't get the views but the garden is really pretty and you can't have everything. There are a couple of other little villas in that little area. I think we booked through CV Travel? 


Posted By: Corfu 1976
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2015 at 6:00pm
Hi Lins,
Thank you for the info.  I did just check with CV Travel but they have their villas available from Monday to Monday and our flights from Dublin are either Saturday or Tuesday departures.  I think we will book with Agni Travel and forgo the pool and use the beach!  They have a few properties in the village which will be OK  Thanks to everyone for your help.
Kind Regards
Annemarie


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